Ukraine - a tragedy of conflicting narratives | #1632 with Nicolai Petro

Ukraine was OK before the western organized coup in 2014 regardless of all historical differences. It was enough to have a moderate government able to cooperate with all countries if it was profitable for Ukraine. But the West decided to take control over Ukraine.

The interviewer talks to much and should listen more, no additional value in his remarks.

American citizen here. I apologize for my government, which went crazy after 9/11. Noam Chomsky's propaganda model for media is evident in America, as discussed by the professor in the video. A super majority of Americans live in what I call the American Media Bubble. That is how they are persuaded year after year to vote against their economic and foreign policy interests. I believe there are similar kinds of manufactured consent issues in Europe, but at a lower level.

Dutchman here. A great conversation, particularly because an Ukrainian picture was presented of different narratives and how these narratives were geographically distributed by historic processes. I appreciate, as a positive part of the conversation, that the geopolitical contribution to the crisis was not explicitly part of the conversation. It does not mean, however, that this geopolitical component is not there and I think it is essential to include how foreign powers are trying, present tense as we are still in the middle of it, to use Ukrainian "diversity", i.e. the existence of pluriculturalism and narratives, against Russia with the ultimate goal of those foreign powers to overthrow the presidency of mr. Putin (Medvedev, Peskov, Lavrov + the ruling class in Russia) and the balkanization of Russia. This, of course, with the purpose to have more resources controlled by western ruling elite and industrial tycoons, which are interwoven with the western political elite. I think it would be great to learn more about that too, also because it is interwoven with some of the Ukrainian narratives and not, or less, with others.

How about allowing the guy to speak without repeatedly interrupting him.That way you learn more.

Would be so great if you didn't keep interrupting the guest

Couldn't agree more but the role of CIA and Soros absolutely ignored.

Important interview! ❤ I wish the interviewer would keep quiet. His interruptions are very distracting

Nice research, gives lots of information, but has bias opinion of someone who suffered greatly from Russian. You didn't mention Petliura, you haven't explained how Chmielnitsky, apparently Kossak, got his Polish surname. Western Ukraine never existed, it was part of Republic of Poland till 1939, after the WWII incorporated to Soviet Union/USRR. Krym or Crymea, NATO was planning it's military base in Sevastopol. How have you suffered greatly, because of Russians, I as Pole could say it the same, but we suffered greatly because of Ukrainian nationalists, 75% of my family were murdered by you greatest patriot Bandera.

The only part of Ukraine that was not part of Russia was the western part of Ukraine.

Hello from Ukraine! In reality situation is even more complicated, Ukraine is poorly studied and poorly undestood.

Throughout the history of Ukraine was always part of the Russia empire.

The fact is Ukraine was a artificial country created by Lenin and the Bolsheviks historically it never existed the only part of Ukraine that was never a part of Russia was the west Ukraine because for centuries it was a part of the Hapsburg empire until after the First World War. Ukrainian language before the USSR was only spoken in the western Ukraine.

Greetings from your Eastern neighbour. After Douglas MacGregor, talking to Prof. Petro is another outstanding interview partner. Great work, keep it up

Ad, hou toch eens een keer je mond!!! Laat iemand eens uitspreken, ik wil horen wat je gast te zeggen heeft. Iedereen weet dat jij veel weet, maar hou eens op dat in de etalage te zetten!!!

There are so many layers to this story. Nicolai is teaching important, very complex history here... I must however hasten to say that my in-laws (family) who lived in Rostovski Oblast and the Kuban went through "Raskulachivanie"/ "Раскулачивание"---they ended up on collective farms & in the mines. Most survived until the Nazis came, They think of themselves absolutely as Russians ... with wild Cossack blood mixed in ....

So from his Odessa observation post, did the professor see the Kiev coup government as fascist? What did Russian speakers there think about it? Note that the Odessa Massacre started as a 'Anti-Maidan' protest against the coup (information tables in front of the Ministry of Labour building).

Dear Adrian, thank you for this very interesting conversation (not an interview). Please consider holding back your urge to interupt the chain of thoughts of your guests for the sake of exposing your own knowledge. It looks like a sign of insecurity, as if you are fishing for compliments from the 'master'. You don't need it, dear Ad. You are an intellectual too, we know it. There's no need for rushing.

This host is too much, time and time again the guest wanted to move to his book .Several times this host drags his conversation to himself. Yap yap yap. Why bother having guests when you take over. So bloody annoying. Rude and aggressive.

Het resoneerde enorm bij mij dat het volk opstond bij het verloren vertrouwen in de politiek. Ik heb namelijk het donkerbruine vermoeden dat onze westerse/europese politici hetzelfde bezig zijn, en ze hun standpunten met agressie en macht zullen willen verdedigen.