LOSS of CONTROL! The Incredible Story of Delta Airlines Flight 1086
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Published 2023-12-23
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You know that feeling you get when you know that you have to perform at the absolute best, the feeling of soul determination, but also maybe some nervousness about not screwing up. Well, certain conditions can make pilots feel exactly that same way. And when you add on unreliable weather reports on an aircraft design feature working opposite to how it should, unpleasant things can start to happen. Stay tuned...
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode.
SOURCES
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Final Report:
www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/ReportâŠ
Incident Recommendations
mentourpilot.com/delta-air-lines-flight-1086-ntsb-âŠ
F-16: Master Sgt. Andy Dunaway
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_FightiâŠ
T-38 Talon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon#/media/FâŠ
Boeing 737
skyteamvirtual.org/fleet/models/delta-air-lines-boâŠ
Boeing 727: Golftwo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_1141
E2C Hawkeye: US Navy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_E-2_HawkeyeâŠ
MD-88 video: Antonâs Aviation Videos
   âąÂ Delta MD-88 landing on a wet runway 0... Â
Washington Air Route Traffic Control Center
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Air_Route_TrafficâŠ
Surface Friction Tester
   âąÂ SARSYS Friction Tester 2004 Â
   âąÂ ASFT Octavia Surface Friction Tester ... Â
Crash 1: Reuters
nypost.com/2015/03/05/delta-passengers-recount-terâŠ
Crash 2: Leonard J. DeFrancisci
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_1086
Crash 3: Twitter
www.businessinsider.com/a-plane-has-skidded-off-thâŠ
Crash 4: Jim Roberts
twitter.com/nycjim/status/573530605905903617/photoâŠ
All Comments (21)
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I was on this flight. when we evacuated the aircraft, the pilots were the last ones out and they were nothing but apologetic. The flight attendants came up to each and every single person to ask how they were doing and each of the pilots explained to us what happened. As weird as this may sound it kind of made me a lifetime Delta Airlines flyer because I feel that they are an airline that cherishes and takes pride in the intelligence and the compassion and the professionalism of their employees
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NO LOSS OF LIFE; my favorite type of Mentour video.
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The one thing I admire about the aviation industry is that every incident and accident results in assessing and disseminating the subsequent "lessons learned" so such an accident will not happen again. I worked the last four decades of my career in aviation, and we kept a "lessons learned" database that we consulted every time we began design of a new product, to make sure we don't repeat a prior mistake. Such lessons learned are in fact practiced throughout the aviation industry, and in my opinion that constant attention to safety is what makes aviation just about the safest form or transportation.
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Hubby is 91 and Iâm 75. We thoroughly enjoy your videos. Yes, at times they are technical but we enjoy that - we learn. Thank you.
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It's definitely a bad day when someone can walk up and knock on the cockpit window
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Twenty Five thousand hours, and, I learn from your videos. YOU help me keep my passengers safe.
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A note about tailwinds. Major airports hate changing runways, and will run with a tailwind until the majority of pilots refuse the landing, then reluctantly they will change runways. I'm talking to you LGA and DCA..... This is an increasing threat. DCA is notorious for this. Thanks to this video, I'm going to start the APU on final during challenging approaches.
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The insane multitasking, decision-making, and problem-solving skills needed in fractions of seconds in this kind of emergency is positively extra-human. These pilots had to do so much right in mere instants and even with good CRM, experience, skill, relatively decent procedures, a perfectly functional aircraft, and a snow team that was doing their best, they still ended up crashing. It's one of those perfect storm situations that rely on a million factors coming together for any of it to be a problem.
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The pilots were such a pro, the FO was always aware and focused . and that "Big Mistake" was actually reasonable considering his concern about the landing distance.
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I loved when you said that the two pilots were getting along really well and you had them nodding at each other entusiastically in the cockpit at the same time at 4:56 đ
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it amazes me how much pilots need to know about the different aircrafts... it also amazes me how something like the reverse thrust stuff can be designed and signed off on when it can make handling of the aircraft impossible... its like they design things, build it, find out it doesn't work properly then just decide to issue a bulletin saying don't use it as it is intended and everyone is okay with it... i am not a pilot... my hats off to everyone that flies planes...
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A few things to point out about the airmanship and resilience of the crew was to shut down the engines, use his phone to call dispatcher and think outside the box. Honestly, I cannot trust any of the pilots I fly with to even think on anything like this. Hats off to the FO
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Even though it was an actual accident, it's great to see how the first officer did exactly what the second pilot is there to do, he helped the pilot flying with an issue he came to be aware of. Runways that are this strips of land on the sea are scary, I guess whoever built the fence was extremely satisfied to know that the airplane managed to stop before falling into the water
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Both Pilots were among the best possible and had thousands upon thousands of hours of experience, but THIS will be the ONE landing they will ALWAYS be remembered for.
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33:31 The cinematics here, i genuinely thought that the aircraft would be in the water in the next scene. Great work to the whole Mentour Pilot Team!
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I think the FO did a great job at keeping situational awareness alive and reacting very quickly to the evolving circumstances â€
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I was in that airport awaiting a connecting flight when this happened. My flight was canceled and I breathed a sigh of relief. I remember the commotion inside the terminal. Another great one Peter.
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Great to see the pilot monitoring so astute in diagnosing the rudder blanking and being so assertive about mentioning it.
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Thank you for your very thorough review of this incident. I used to fly the MD-88 and spent many occasions flying this same flight, only most often in better conditions. You had mentioned the reverse thrust EPR limitation. You did mention it as more of a timing issue. That may have been a relevant problem but there is another aspect too. Although we were well trained in what amounted to a rather arcane matrix of EPR limits depending on friction conditions, and whether flying an MD-88 or MD-90, the biggest problem was rigging of the JT-8Dâs reverse thrust system. Sometimes just getting past the detent and into reverse could get to almost instant max reverse situation. Sometimes mechanics really couldnât find a rigging parameter that could consistently give good reverse thrust control. The MD-88 used cables to the Pratt & Whitney JT-8Dâs whereas the MD-90 had a very precise FADEC system to govern the IAI v2800âs and that was the preferred airplane for LGA and DCA airports. I believe the thing that really bothered us was that this happened even though most of us would have done all the exact same things that this crew did. As a side note, Iâm told that the aircraft was considered fixable, until the salvage company lifted it with their crane. Something failed causing it to drop, rendering it pretty un-salvageable at that point. I hope nobody was hurt in that. We didnât even touch on how much the MD-88âs brakes chattered as the last few knots came off before a stop. I always found the MD-80 series to be predictable, trustworthy, great-flying, airplanesâŠ.as ground vehicles, not so much.