The Ultima Founding And The Fallen - 40K Theories

READ THIS FIRST Since so many people are commenting before watching the video (seriously, why would you do that? lol), this video is not about Primaris Marines within pre-existing chapters such as the Dark Angels, but about Dark Angel successor chapters comprised entirely of Primaris Marines. Yes I have read War of Secrets and know of how the Dark Angels treated their Primaris Marines initially in regards to The Fallen, but again this video is not about that. *UPDATE*: As of the 9th edition Dark Angels codex, it has been revealed that Ultima Founding Dark Angel successor chapters are indeed made aware of The Fallen, with Azrael himself informing these chapters of them in a majority of cases.

“ASMODAI!!!” “INTERROGATE?!” “Our assumptions are confirmed!” “WHAT?!” “He has a suspicious book!” “BOOK!” “He’s in cahoots with the fallen!” “FALLEN!” “Make him repent!” “REPENT!!”

Grandma: Help I have fallen and can't get up. Dark Angels : FALLEN WHERE ?!?!

- Dark Angel: trips - Commissar: Are you ok sir, you seem to have fallen - Dark Angel: NO I HAVEN'T! I'M LOYAL!!!!

The Fallen are... {Redacted Transmission: "Heresy."} ... Last transmission of Alpha Legionary informant Odysseus to Maccrage. M31.

NOTHING happened on Caliban. And what happened on Caliban stays on Caliban. We've had a better opinion of this channel. You should be ashamed for spreading such vile lies.

Cool a new Dark Angels theory video. Thank you for making it

Fallen......What Fallen... I’m not acting crazy your crazy

Read the short story Enmity's Edge. Azrael has basically told the inner circle of the dark angels to "get over" their distrust of the primaris. Captain Lazerus crossing the primaris rubicon stands as proof that the Ultima founding chapters will be told of the uncomfortable truths of their past to svae the first legion from tearing itself apart. Azrael-I'm putting the chapter back together. I'm putting our brotherhood back together. This ends now.

maybe its because TTS but I feel like the 'trials' to join the inner circle involve fully power armor clad marines sitting in school desks taking some kind of scantron test involving the history of their chapter and if they answer any question wrong, they're summarily boltered by the Proctor.

It’s funny to me that the Dark Angel’s obsession with covering up the very existence of the Fallen makes the whole legion look like traitors trying very hard to appear loyal. Actually, the shame they feel because some members of their legion turned traitor a long time ago just really doesn’t make sense. There’s tons of Black Shields who came from legions that almost entirely turned traitor who feel less shame than the Dark Angels. Like yeah they we're ashamed of their brothers’ treachery so they removed all of the livery and iconography from their armor, but they openly served as loyal astartes and didn’t try to hide that they came from traitor legions. The Dark Angels could just come clean, renounce the Fallen, and most likely the rest of the Imperium wouldn’t really care that much I imagine.

[Asmodai has entered the chat]

Secrets? There are no secrets here! nervous laughter (stage whisper, aside: Asmodai, make them repent!)

Loyalty is it’s own reward

HE KNOWS ABOUT THE FALLEN, QUICK ASMODAI MAKE HIM REPENT!

I think, its time for Lion El'Johnson to wake up and get back to the fight. Thats what I think.

It's great to see my chapter in a video! I know they dont have a lot of lore yet, but I like to think that the Ultima chapters dont know about the Fallen. Because of this, I do not have a Raven wing company or Death Wing company in my chapter

There is no such thing as innocence, only varying degrees of guilt.

I know I said it before but I say it again (Im kinda obliged to): I like that Cypher guy. He looks like a great lad.

Always love to see Dark Angel videos I know there’s not a lot of new lore after the Primaris marines became a thing so I hope the new codex and supplement that will eventually come out will fill a lot of holes and answer some questions! I think that most of the Dark Angels shame came from the fact that they lost so much during the betrayal not JUST that they were betrayed. I mean they lost there Primarch, their homeworld Caliban but yes also half the Legion. I can’t imagine the shame they must have felt as like someone said earlier in this video they are the first legion the best. Not to mention how Lion El Johnson wanted perfection from his legion of a battle wasn’t won with 100% efficiency than the battle was not won at all.