The ONLY Legion that WON the Horus Heresy

I love the moment when an Imperial begins to recite the Prayers of the Ecclisarchy in front of a Word Bearer, to repel him and the Word Bearer begins to recite it with him word for word, then basically mocks him for his ignorance, that he knows these Rites because he saw his father write them all those millennia ago

One of the best plot points is the imperium uses the original works of Lorgar as their holy books and the WB didnt know it.

"Do not worship me as a god" says the giant man clad in gold with halos and is pretty much unrivaled in every aspect and and is immortal.

Hey, it's not the Word Bearers fault that it turns out that there really are gods...and those gods are all psychopaths.

If the imperium has the Ultramarines serving as the gold standard for Loyalist Astartes legions, then the Word Bearers are the most quintessential Chaos Space marines that ever were. I’m honestly shocked how sparingly they get represented considering how pivotal their role in the story is

Lorgar found the truth. And then that “truth” found everyone else lol

Lorgar couldn't live with the fact that he'd waged holy war on his own home world in the service of a god emperor who didn't want his worship. It's why he never embraced the imperial truth, and why he went out looking to validate the old faith of his homeworld (chaos worship) after the emperor rebuked him at Monarchia. It's not only that he was devoted to the pursuit of truth, but also that he couldn't live with the fact that he'd slaughtered his own people in the service of a lie. If it feels like Lorgar "won" it's probably because he did get his revenge, whatever it cost him and the galaxy as a whole.

It's difficult to follow the narrative surrounding Lorgar, as the BL writers have said they did not know what to do with him. This leads to a lot of inconsistencies in his character, as the writers seem to have differing understandings of him. I prefer to believe he knows exactly what he is doing, and has been working tirelessly to master Enuncia as well as complete his book which will allow his apostles to command demons to an extent hitherto unknown.

Aaaaaaaaaand link has been sent. EXTERMINATUS has been approved upon his position.

If you read the book Aurelian you find out that Lorgar is given a vision of the future by Kairos where he sees Guilliman going wtf I never hated you, and Lorgar decided this future was a lie because he had such a victimhood complex that he thought Guilliman had to have hated him. Then the events of Know no Fear happen and hes like whelp im in too deep now anyways. Lorgar to me is the biggest manchild loser Primarch who basically threw a temper tantrum and murdered humanity and the dream of the emperor because he couldnt have things his way, kind of like the idealogical excuse of if im not going to be king ill burn everything down around me and reign over the ashes type idea. Lorgar is a liar and he lies to himself even when he says he wants the truth, really what he wants is validation and someone to say yes to him. Essentially Lorgar is not really an intelectual but rather say an artist pesudo intelectual who plays at greatness and I think it rather shows of all the Primarchs id say Magnus overshadows him in every way in terms of ability and focus, the ability to create tension and division through idealogical differences, the fact that hes an intelectual and a fighter, and that his fall is genuinely a tragic affair and something outside of his hands, something even he largely regrets. Lorgar is just an asshole and his legion are wackos basically a step above the World Eaters as they are blood thirsty power driven maniacs who dress up their motivations with some kinda religious garb. They never really ask themselves what is the point of their intelectual or idealogical pursuits if the results are just war, murder, and torture, which only is used as an excuse to justify more acts of murder and torture. You want me to think Lorgar's fall is justified or hes some sort of sympathetic character, my answer is a hard no, him and his legion are what id diagnose as Fucked in the Head.

Day one of me asking for iron hands

Your conclusion is strange. The Word Bearer's never wanted an unending galactic war, they wanted apotheosis.

Yep, you guessed it... it was Orks, Orks won da horse's hershey

Lorgar “Father Lied”

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The problem is that the Emperor is a hypcorite or possibly even a liar. He never understood the people he sought to rule and thereby doomed mankind. One must remember that even at it's height the Imperium was a pale shadow of the glories that had come before. Lorgar was ultimately right about the Emperor, Horus, and his brothers. Of all the doctrines of Chaos his is the only one that establishes an equal relationship with the Gods. Word Bearers do not become slaves to the powers as do those who follow one specific deity nor do they wallow in pointless bitterness as do other renegade factions. They acknowledge that even God's must be kept in line and thus the ordering of Faith through religion is necessary.

The creation of the Primarchs always reminds me of the old adage: "Never hand someone a gun unless you are very sure where they are going to point it."

“Won” is that what we call being perused by a Deamon Raven Primarch on your home turf??

Lorgar is technically the only heresy winner. He found the gods/god he was searching for, created the religion to go along with it all. A religion thriving still over 10k years later.

They not only won; they also, like Fabius Bile, perform exactly as they were designed by the Emperor.