The Most TOXIC Mary Sue Gets Kicked Out

psychiatrists should play dnd undercover during their training, would be a great field study lmao

"Gradually starts to show her true colors." My dude. Two years of some of the most toxic madness I've ever seen coming from one person, and she was swinging right out of the gate. Didn't take more than one session. 'Course I feel bad for the OP and group, but someone needed a backbone in this situation, desperately.

I am convinced that 90% of dnd players need assertiveness training.

I made a character once that was neutrally aligned. He was cursed with good rolls and I wanted to kill him off, it got really difficult when I invaded a goddess' temple and pushed a tower on her, killing her. My character got extremely rich and famous all because of good rolls. I betrayed my party and had many of them killed making my character into a sort of oblivious but devious villain. However my DM rolled with the punches and the other players actually enjoyed the session. I retired that character because of obvious reasons and rolled a new character. The DM had us go after my old character and eventually killed him. I think in my case I didn't take anything that happened personally and I got really into the RP so much that it enriched the session. Then the DM played off what I had done. My group are all fairly close friends so if we have a disagreement it doesn't bother us on a meaningful level. If Sue could divorce her characters from her own ego I believe she could have been a really good player. She's creative and gets into the campaign lore, shame she was such a bitch.

I've never actually seen a female version of the neckbeard trope, but that's pretty much what i expect sue to look and act like.

"Disliking her character was the same as disliking her." I don't see a problem in this particular case.

When I first listened to this episode, I was irritated that OP and co put up with this for two years. But suddenly last month my friend group and I realised that we have been in the same situation for the past year, and it was only when we had a ‘straw that broke the camel’s back’ moment and discovered other people with the same problems with this person that we finally started seeing all the red flags. We confronted her and then the trash took itself out. Several weeks later, we are still unearthing red flags and shit that we should never have let slide. Hindsight is a bitch

I played a blind Druid once, my DM and I agreed it would be cool to basically have Toph from Avatar, so she used tremorsense to see. It was gifted to her through magic and was bound to her, so dispel magic would take her “sight” but it would regenerate in 1 minute.

Sue is like a girlfriend that wants an open relationship but doesn't want you to sleep around, who will tell you about her other sex partners and get mad that you're not jealous, who complains that you don't give her room but wants to be with you 24/7, who gets into all sorts of stupid situations and then bitches when you don't stand up for her, etc... 1/10 won't girlfriend again

I've actually dealt with the opposite of a Mary sue, where an oc has like so much trauma and things done to them that they always want the spotlight and something bad is always happening to them. Like, don't get me wrong, some trauma or conflict is good to have in a character but not to the point where its that whole character's personality.

As an editor, I’ve read many Mary Sue stories, but one that stood out to me with how entitled she was, was about a girl named Raine. Raine came from the highest of nobility and got everything she wanted. She was praised and loved by everyone. She was the most popular girl in town. She was perfect. But her one “flaw” was her “evil” parents. And I’m putting these in quotation marks for a reason. Her parents were so “evil” they wanted her to study for a test and didn’t give her an expensive present. She spent over 8 chapters crying about how she was the victim of abuse and about how terrible her life was. The next chapter, half way through might I add, was about her getting magical powers. And you should already know she mastered them instantly and was the most powerful magic user. She left home to live a “perfect” life with people who basically worshipped her as a god for how powerful she was. And that was the end. The next Mary Sue story I want to add was about someone named Frost. Frost was a normal girl until her sister disagreed with her, then she ran away from home, crying about how hard her life was. “For some reason she became the most powerful being in the universe,” and that is a quote from the book. Frost did not train to use her powers, she was instantly the best, she could use every weapon perfectly by touching it, and her one “flaw” was that the power was dark. And that didn’t affect anything, it wasn’t like she was given a power and it slowly corrupted her as she used it more, that would be smart. The entire story was her killing random people for no reason then crying victim when she got caught. If people didn’t immediately bow down to her as their next god, she would kill them and keep crying about her “broken soul.” It was definitely more interesting than the first story, but for all the wrong reasons.

Its kind of hard to sympathize with OP when they never called her out on her behavior. Some of the thing vented here seemed oversensitive or nitpicky too but again, talk to her. I get that shes horrible but shes not gonna get any better if she doesn't get to know she's doing snything wrong. This going on for 2 yeaŕs is frankly absurd.

Two years of this?! I kinda think she literally just had a list of "Things I want to get away with". And after the first year she just kept adding more things. "I'm the youngest but I'm also the party mom" makes me think she wanted to be everything with the way she switched characters.

There is a very important takeaway from this post: SPEAK UP IF SOMETHING IN THE GAME IS BOTHERING YOU. I made this mistake myself; I didn't say anything about a player who was making me uncomfortable because I thought I was the only one who had a problem and maybe my discomfort was a me problem. But after they left, at least one other player AND the DM also expressed grievances with them. You're often not alone with people like this, and even if you aren't, you shouldn't just let yourself be uncomfortable; D&D is supposed to be fun.

Some people can be horrible. Just because they hide behind 'tragic background' or 'marginalized group' doesn't change the fact that they're rotten to the core. A lot of serial killers have tragic backgrounds, but there are millions of people that went through horrible stuff and never turned into abusers themselves. There are no excuses.

I have this one character who expects everyone to treat her like a Mary Sue and the rest of the guys in her rebel group would like to give her up to the bad guys. She's fun to write.

As a nonconfrontational person, I understand OP's stance to a point but it's so frustrating to watch this from an objective view. She should have been kicked out aaaaaaages ago.

"Every time OP crits on me it feels so personal!" Yes, I'm sure that OP was willing the dice to roll 20's because he doesn't like you, not just weird luck for a 5% chance for a specific number to be rolled.

Long story time: My first roleplay experience (2013ish) wasn't tabletop or dice based, it was forum based, we were a bunch of teenage werewolves trying to blend in at a college with a mystery plot. Five of the six members got along brilliantly, each having exceptional writing skills and consideration for each other's characters. We were all in different timezones so each entry would usually be a pretty long paragraph as nobody could do quick fire back and forth, and we would all take a turn to write and if someone hadn't posted in a while, we would wait for them to catch up. Any interactions between characters would be open for interpretation, ie my male character (Vane) and the other male character(Ryan) would scrap a lot (and while the other characters would be trying to break them up, the players in the OOC chat would be commenting on the scrap like a wrestling match) but a typical entry would end with something like "Ryan threw his arm out in a powerful right hook" and it was up to the other player to determine if their character dodged it or took it (I usually took it as Ryan was faster than Vane, who was stronger). My wolf's main flaw was that he had a heart condition which stopped him from being OP as he was the biggest/strongest wolf. The party generally used him as a tank for the first or last part of a fight, my own rule for him was three "rounds" of combat and then he needed to dip out. At one point we were fighting the big bad, which resulted in everyone desperately trying to save the party's cinnabun character, including Vane overexerting himself through 8 rounds of combat. This lead to a scene where Vane was essentially having a heart attack and the party frantically trying to save him (we had all had our big, main character moments and I was the last in the limelight) and as it was near the end of the story everyone in OOC was like "Oh my god, is he going to die?! You've got to give him a happy ending! Who's placing bets on if [I] will kill Vane off?!" Sounds like a fun campaign where everyone had a great time right? Almost. We had a Mary Sue. She was a werewolf/vampire (vampires didn't exist in this universe until she insisted, and she also tried to be part dragon, which we shut down) and butted herself into every body's limelight moment. She was always perfect, always on it and she would meta game using info from OOC that her character wouldn't possibly know. Her own limelight moment was her finding her old video camera with happy times of her and her brother on it with her watching it silently crying. There was no build up, no context, we were all awkward and then she never mentioned it again (I ended up in a different roleplay on that forum and she used the same character and the same moment). We often tried to work around her while still letting her have fun. When Vane was having his "will he, won't he" moment, Sue's character picked him up bridal style (again this dude is like 7ft tall, she was 5'5" at most), placed him on the bed (missed the part where we were still in the woods), bit his neck and....infused blood into him? Her paragraph described how his wounds disappeared, his breathing steadied and she turned to the group and said "He'll be okay, he just needs to rest" We all told her in OOC that we would be disregarding her post and continuing from the previous one as she had just ruined the climax. She threw a tantrum OOC and in game was sat in the background saying he deserved to die for being so stupid. (We later found out Sue the player had a crush on Vane the character). Vane did survive but at the cost of never being able to transform again. For our next campaign, we made our own website with a password and never told Mary Sue about it so she thought we disbanded after the last campaign. We had spent the whole year of that campaign trying to guide her, help her improve, explain where she was doing things right and wrong, all was met with arrogance and dismissal.

I honestly can't personally understand how DM/GM/ST's and players let stuff like this go on for so long. Like just the other day there was miscommunication between my character and an NPC that was more between me and the Story Teller. I was getting frustrated and was starting to take it out in game. I got two sentences in and was like "Wait, hold on, out of character talk. I feel like I'm being targeted and punished for something I didn't do." ST: "You lied and were caught." ME: "No I gave an answer, but not the one she already knew about. My character at this moment believes she covered her tracks well enough and there isn't a current issue with the guy she killed." ST: "Oh, I thought you were trying to avoid and then give excuses." ME: "Not excuses, just thought prosses in her defense. She admits to her mistake and honestly apologizes for it." ST: "Alright, I think I understand. We'll roll back to before your outburst cause that sounded like it came out of the frustration of the miscommunication." ME: "Sounds good to me, and sorry about that." ST: "No worries, happens to the best of us." And that was it, we went right back into playing. No issues, no revenge, no meta/OOC punishments. We were good, the rest of the party was good and even commended the two of us for how we handled the situation. The more I watch videos like these the more I just feel I've gotten really lucky that I found a great gaming group.