More Horrible Signature Moves in Pokemon
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Published 2023-06-16
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All Comments (21)
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What signature move do you think is the worst?
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Conversion past Gen 1 works based off of your own moveset, not your opponent's, so it has use in giving yourself STAB + Adaptability on a coverage move of your choice.
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Conversion was actually really good in gen 7 because Z-Conversion gave you an omniboost (+1 on all stats) and then transforms you into the type of your first move. Basically you can slap psychic or thunderbolt shadowball icebeam etc in your first slot then transform into whatever type you want and get a sweeper with +1 on all stats WITH adaptability boost
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What sucks even more is that if you transfer hisuian sliggoo it can get acid armor which is even better because it has twice as much as shelter yet goodra can't learn it. Seriously why did they nerf it this badly
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On the subject of Heart Swap, I've actually seen it used to decent effect. Mash Fleur Cannon with Magearna because you're a talented player, then use Heart Swap to give your opponent the Special Attack drops and bring you back to neutral. Still omega cheese but it's had its moment.
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Funny enough, with mons like Dondozo, Flamigo, and Espathra boosting their stats so much, Heart Swap might have a use now
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Actually, Conversion changes your type to one of your moves' types, not the opponent's, so you can control it. Plus, its Z-move version was actually pretty good, giving you a boost to every stat.
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Okay but that’s not actually what Conversion does!! From Gen 2 onward, its based on the user’s moves, not a target’s. That’s not to say that it’s excellent, but the point is to give you STAB on moves you normally don’t have STAB on. It’s also fantastic as a Z-move on Porygon Z
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Fun story, I thought that Glaciate was just a random ice move Kyurem had and I replaced it with Blizzard. Then my friend told me it was his signature move and I got mad, just to then calm down when he said it sucked and I did good deleting it.
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Conversion was bad… then gen 7 happened and made PZ an even more ridiculous cleaner/sweeper than it already was. Similar with Freeze shock. People hate on Z moves but they certainly allowed some moves to have a glow up, even splash became viable.
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Conversion is really good. It was basically the original tera, changing your type to the first move slot. Z-conversion offers an omni boost too, like an ancient power. Pair both with Porygon-z's large sp.a and adaptability for 2x stab instead of 1.5x... yeah it's really good on a thunderbolt, ice beam, or psychic (as needed for your team comp).
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Conversion’s evolution (from Bulbapedia): Gen 1: Opponent’s type (now the effect of Reflect Type) Gen 2-5: Type of random move from user’s move-set Not the opponent’s move-set Gen 6-present: Type of move in first slot of move-set Not the opponent’s move-set Conversion 2’s evolution (also from Bulbapedia): Gen 2-present: Type that resists/is immune to last move user was hit with (minor details changed throughout the generations) Just wanted to simplify and clarify things 😊
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Magic coat is predominantly used on leads. Which are used to reflect taunt and Stealth rock. An example of a great lead with Magic coat is Uxie; which allows it to set up stealth rock or trick room without worry of being shut down or losing momentum.
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He says that about Heart Swap, but I remember my Gen 7 run in Showdown where my Magearna made people quit because they were trying to Extreme Evo Boost on me.
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Conversion made some sense because many types resist themselves, so if your opponent is for example water type, you now resist its stab, so its cool
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I always thought the point of Heart Swap was to set up with Tail Glow (and Acid Armor if you're greedy), swap the boosts to your doubles partner, and set up again.
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Seviper is actually my favorite pokemon so if I can add my 2 cents on this I think poison fang is a better move personally as it gets the toxic or badly poisoning effect
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What makes Shelter EVEN WORSE somehow is that it is also a worse version of Acid Armor, of which it has only HALF the PP of. Sure, while Iron Defense is also worse than Acid Armor, at least Iron Defense has superior distribution. Shelter is a signature move , and not only that, Hisuian Goodra ALSO gets Acid Armor already, just to drive home how utterly pointless this move is.
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Unique fact about camouflage one of my favorite pokemon Leavanny gets the move via breeding and uses it really well! It has a pretty bad typing that's only good for its stab moves but it's defensively horrible. However, using camouflage it can get a much better defensive typing and thanks to it's OK defensive stats camouflage gives Leavanny a lot more longevity and I think that's really neat
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I did not know Powder existed until now because early game Bug Types aren't worth training that long (except maybe Beedrill in Gen 6 or Butterfree in Gen 8 but even that's pushing it).
