How 9mm Parabellum Became the World Standard - Gun Guys Ep. 33 with Bill Wilson and Massad Ayoob
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Published 2021-05-20
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Bill Wilson has always been infatuated with guns. Originally trained as a watchmaker, he has been in the firearms industry since 1974, starting out with a retail store called Sportsman's Headquarters in Berryville, Arkansas. Since that humble beginning, he has built Wilson Combat into the largest and most successful custom firearms company in America. Since 1977 Wilson Combat has been the leading innovator in high-performance, custom 1911 handguns, tactical long guns and accessories
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ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
All Comments (21)
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My wife earlier, when I was rearranging my ammo stash.... “How many bullets do you need???” Me: All of them
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Really glad Massad's still around. Grew up reading his articles in gun magazines in the 80's and 90's and the guy is a wealth of knowledge.
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Mr. Massad, sorry to see that arthritic right thumb. As a retired physician we called that “an arthritic dislocation”. As an old man now, I have the same, and struggle to rack some slides. I still carry a 1911 .45 though (over 50 years. I even carried in my medical office). You Sir are a true legend and I respect your work and dedication. Thanks!
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These two gentlemen have forgotten more than other so-called experts know. When these men share knowledge, pay attention.
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I really appreciate the discussion of aging shooters. I love my 45 ACPs, 45 Colts loaded to the max, and my 44 magnums, but I find myself reaching for my 9mm’s more and more often. Getting old is a blessing that requires adjustments. I have been slow to admit that to myself.
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I carried a Browning Hi Power decades ago. The amount of grief I endured from the “ it must start with 4””” guys was amazing. My Browning held 13 rounds back then and their mags held 7. I even had 20 round mags back then. I had 357s, 38 supers, and 44s, which all had more power, but to carry everyday, it was the Browning for me. It’s funny to see everyone carrying 9s now. And, the 9 was certainly not responsible for the incident described in 86. Thanks for the video.
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Massad is such a cool character I am sure everyone in Law enforcement that ever had contact with him has nothing but respect.
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*Correction- The most critical factors are shot placement, shot placement, shot placement, attorney. 👍
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My "9" comes with a really cool headstamp on the the cartridges. It says, ".357 Magnum".
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My favorite quote: "buy them cheap, and stack them deep".
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I never get tired of listening to Massad Ayoob. He is the best of the gun experts and has a memory like a steel trap.
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I bookmarked this video before it began playing. I suppose that I should watch it now.
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Two Masters. You listen when these two speak. Both amazing.
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The incident you speak of in 1986 had such an impact on me that I dedicated myself to regular training in my free time throughout my entire law enforcement career. I've been retired five years now. I am still training.
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The amount of firearms knowledge these gentlemen have never ceases to amaze me.
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Great insight gentlemen. From an Australian who by law can't defend himself with a pistol. Hope you never give up the right to self defence. Cheers, and love your show.
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Gentlemen, thank you for this excellent video. Like you fellows, I’m an older shooter (75 next month and 60 years of experiences). And like so many of “us” I started — and I still own, use and esteem — .357 magnums/.38 Specials and .45 ACPs. However — and I take NO pleasure in this conclusion — the firearm that sits 10 feet away from me now is a CZ-75B, loaded with 17+1 rounds of Atlanta Arms Elite 124 grain 9x19mm JHPs. It is extremely unlikely that any non-LEO defensive encounter will require that many rounds, but this is a “house gun” and there is no penalty for higher capacities. With all this said, I’d be perfectly comfortable with six 125 gain .357 magnum rounds in my Smith, five inch, Model 27.
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I always love to hear two living legends get together and talk, and yes the 9mm is here to stay. Thanks guys.
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I used be a big proponent of the .45 auto when I was younger. I was full of piss and vinegar and my only thought was “knock down power”. But as I got older and more proficient in my marksmanship skills, not to mention that I am a lot more mature and calmer now under stressful situations, I realized that lots of rounds of 9mm, center mass will disconnect the pump station of a bad guy just fine. Pump station disconnected, bad guy goes down. Plus, I can just flat out be a lot more accurate with my placement with 9mm compared to a .45 or a 10mm.
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The best part of watching your vids ((including Mr Hack’)…is the simplicity of the conversation and the amount of knowledge spread! 💪🏻🇵🇷
