The NEW ARGUMENT For LeBron Being THE GOAT

Coming from someone who’s been watching the nba since 1981, watching the game’s greatest players play out their careers, i don’t have an issue with people who say that bron is the goat. I personally have mj, but if you think it’s bron i don’t laugh at it. What i do laugh at is people who put kobe over bron. That’s funny.

Saying Kareem was lebron before Lebron when he wasnt even the best player on more than half of his championships is insane.

Lebron and Kareem’s careers weren’t synonymous. The way that Jimmy disregards team compositions for eras always bothered me. ALSO NOT TOO MUCH ON TSO ITS BIG TSO AROUND THESE PARTS.

Jordan never fumbled the bag in the Finals🤣💀

Lebron's longevity is insane, but even with the extra 7+ years, Jordan still accomplished more.

I hate the hypothetical order switch. LeBron was influenced by MJ. LeBron being directly influenced by players like Charles Barkley or Larry Bird would play differently.

I dropped a like after the Bob Pettit, Giannis part. You deserved that one.

If you switch the time they came in they both wouldn’t have the skill sets they ended up with. Prime example is the 3pt line. I’m not sure exactly when they implemented it but mj already had started mastering his game when it was invented. To say lebron would be chucking 3s in the 80s and 90s while mj would be taking long 2s in the 2010s is stupid honestly

What I've always failed to understand was how getting to the finals is the same as actually winning the championship. Lebron is literally getting praised for getting to the finals alot but not actually winning more often than not.

If MJ and LeBron swap but maintain their career feats, MJ blows LeBron out the water. Retiring after two 3peats in 8 years would make his trajectory insane in a what-if scenario.

If Lebron would have taken MJ's Place in History. Many things change of course. *There's a chance that Lebron's game and longevity may change due to the era difference as well as his mentality and the tech of the time to support him. *The bulls roster construction changes *Pippen probably no longer gets drafted *The pistons probably 3 peat in 91 or the Lakers win & Magic gets 6 If Lebron and the bulls don't win *The Knicks have another chance at a finals in 1992 or 93 *Lebron vs Hakeem in the Finals in 94 & 95? *Shaq & Penny have another chance to get to the finals in 96 *Allen Iverson probably doesn't get picked #1 due to the NBA's preference for Bigger players *Kobe's game is built off of someone else since there is no Jordan. *Depending on how good the bulls are and Bron's longevity, Utah has a chance at a ring in 97 and 98. *San Antonio's championship in 99 comes into question depending if Lebron ages faster in this time. *Lebron retires in 2000 with at best maybe 3-5 rings and 3-4 FMVPs.

See the thing people don't really take into account is that being the skilled isn't the only part about the Goat debate its how the media persevere you. Kareem was bad with the media that's why he was never considered the Goat back then. The 90s was a perfect pot you had weaker comp, the league was shifting to be more international and there was no big name star everyone else was getting older so in comes Jordan who while the game was becoming the nba we know today MJ was the face of it so that's why people who don't watch basketball refers to MJ as the Goat cause everyone was saying it

Jordan the 🐐

as soon as solz said lebron his goat i knew he liked boys🤦🏾‍♂️

SAS reading his notes on air of ESPN and saying it was mj is insane 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh no not bsolz’s “Jorfraud arc”😭😭

I agree with solz on that Harden shit, its so annoying to hear people say "if (x) never happened then (y) would have won that ring" and shit like that. There is NO RING IN HISTORY that is guaranteed if an event changed sports are just too wild, if KD didn't join the warriors Harden STILL has to get through Bron and Kyrie in the finals. Still has to get through Steph, Klay, Draymond warriors, still has to get through so much shit that its almost so silly to me that I have to laugh

Big O was averaging triple doubles before Magic and invented it

There is an interesting video from Jonny Arnett ("The ultimate Michael Jordan video") that honed in on MJ's performance at PG during the last ¼ of the 88-89 season. MJ's scoring dropped 9%, while his rebounds increased 17.4% and his assists 36% over the first ¾ of the season at SG. Where it really got interesting was using those averages across MJ's career, had he played PG from 89-2003, and his career averages would have been 27.4ppg, 7.3rb, 7.2ast. Which were eerily similar to LeBron James career averages of 27.2ppg, 7.5rb, 7.3ast. An educated guess based on a small sample size, yes. But it showed how even though high volume performers at PG and SG look equally dynamic to the naked eye, the mindset to execute both roles is entirely different. I would argue that the gap between switching from SG to PG is greater than an SG switching to any other Forward or C position on the floor. Like going from WR to QB. Because PG means you're responsible not just for your role but also ensuring every other position on the floor is in their role at all times. Which made what MJ did in 1989 that much more unreal.

Skipping the ad was so real