The End Of Jr Engineers
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Published 2024-07-05
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All Comments (21)
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Seriously though. Even if you quit watching. Watch the end and my response. I do get quite frustrated and maybe lose my cool
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Yep, these youngsters picked a terrible time to be born. Rookie error, better luck next time.
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Without junior developers you cannot have senior developers. Same with every other industry. You get rid of juniors altogether and you will have killed an industry in 30 years. So…not really sure how they would handle that.
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Companies now: "need a senior developer who can work with a peanut salary of jr. developer"
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My entire life comes down to that meme "I should have been gaining experience and buying a home back in 1999 instead of being a toddler"
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This article really just reads as "Oh sorry kid, you can't find a job? Well that's because senior devs like me convinced enough people that we could replace you with AI. But that's just a skill issue on your end, so in the meantime you should try to get better. Also, I happen to sell a book on how to replace you better, go buy it." Like, I don't understand those people who are shoulder-deep in the LLM hype. I don't see how their AI god is going to replacing any junior developer anytime soon: you need to babysit it, check each and every line of its output, distrust it, reword your question 4 to 5 times and chop each problem up into tiny bite-sized pieces. I guess you can ask another AI to help you with that, but now you need to babysit two AIs. Meanwhile, a junior developer will just take longer to complete a task and might ask you for guidance if they realize they're stuck. And if you're worried about letting a junior developer write the architecture of your app, then you should also equally worry about letting an AI do that.
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Why are people pretending sr developers just spawn into existence each quarter? Juniors become seniors after some time and experience, without them this whole industry just collapses. Your not replacing jrs until you can replace everyone
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The problem with replacing juniors with LLMs is that you won't be training up any new juniors, and all your seniors will retire and/or die, and you'll be left with a competency crisis that will make the current one we're going through look like a joke.
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AI hype is insane... Its not even close to what people are making it out to be
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He works in company that does AI assistant, wow what a suprise
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This reminds me of those crypto articles talking about how crypto will replace every single type of banking transaction in the next couple of years.
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Today if you do not resource juniors, tomorrow you won't have seniors
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Respect for prime for being an advocate of hope. These opportunists who'd rather add into the perception of doom just to sell you something do not deserve any of our attention. There are still hope out there for junior engineers.
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For all Jr here : You're gonna wake up and work hard at it Don't let your dreams be dreams Make your dreams come true Nothing is impossible Yes, you can Just do it
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Somehow I feel that this is when the tech industry is finally irrecoverably alienating itself from the rest of society. “You know that thing you love to do? Now you can watch a computer create an amalgamation of similar concepts into something that’s going to be preferred by corporations and the general public in the short term with no consideration for whether it’s actually a good thing “
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I felt like globalization and localized pay is a much bigger challenge to overcome than LLM. I’ve seen job listings with ZERO open positions in the U.S. but then I switch my VPN location to India and magically 50+ listings appear for engineering in any path you want to go down. I converted the average salary to dollars and realized they are hiring full time engineers for $500 a month. That makes me more depressed than LLM.
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Never seen him actually be so angry. I hope he's right as a aspiring Software Developer
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As someone finishing uni in a few months and starting to look for entry programming jobs: "It steals from them the worst thing to steal out of all things for people that are new, which is - hope. (...) you have opportunity, you have hope". Thank you. Really.
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Is it just me, or does it feel like every tech-bro article is doing their DARNEDEST to cash in on the trend of "gloom and doom" about AI? And that it's really irritating to have a bunch of "pull the ladder up behind them" types talking about how you're absolutely screwed if you DARED to start a degree in CS? Like, what type of message are the seniors of this industry trying to sell to the future? "Too bad, so sad, you don't have a future, should've been born earlier because now I'm going to replace you"? What a toxic environment to find yourself in when these people 4 to 10 years ago were in your position and would've never dreamed of being treated so terribly. Like, damn. I feel so bad for kids these days coming into these industries. They're just treated like a quickly spoiling fruit with zero use.
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Imagine telling someone they need to know everything the first day of the job and be an expert in everything already…..