Paul Atreides Is A Warning | Dune Explained

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People are mad at chani, but chani is literally pointing out what the author was saying the entire time.

Paul was literally playing 5d chess to get his revenge, manipulating everyone and finally becomes a man he didn't want to be.

Sounds like Harkonnen propaganda to me dawg.

“This prophecy is how they enslave us!!” - Chani tried to warn them.

Paul is part Lawrence of Arabia, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan. Fascinating character.

The scary part for me was always the moment when I realized I would make the same choices he did. I think most men would. They killed his Father, his eldest son, his best friend and mentor, all of his people…You can call it vengeance, but in the hearts of most men that is Justice. I’d make almost any devils bargain if someone took that from me and I had the choice. That’s the damnable horrifying lure and I can see it. The monster is in the mirror.

5:37 "Lead them to paradise," he commands what an icy expression. It's a call for sacrifice, disguised as salvation. A demand for his followers to die so he can win." What a definition! You are the few who can understand the true meaning of that and explain. Amazing video!!!!!

Paul is such a powerful figure. He desperately wanted to stop the fighting in "his name" and yet each step he took brought him closer to it. Eventually bringing about a tyrant. Fulfilling his visions.

Paul: breathes Stilgar: IT IS AS WRITTEN!!! hahahaha I loved Stilgar in Part 2, but I can't shake the feeling how the fanaticism is the same in Monty Python's "Life of Brian" XD

New Chosen One trope: I am pre destined by the Universe to commit atrocities

After he drinks the water of life he sees what becomes “The Golden Path”. Which he knows he has to become the villain of the universe and oppress the people. He was not able to do it, so his son did it. Leto II, the God Emperor causes humanity to reach the Golden Path by starting the great scattering. If you look at Paul’s story it’s quite insignificant compared to his son’s story.

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

Small point—There are two “The Ones.” The Bene Gesserit Kwisatz Haderach, the male bred to see the past and future, meant to be exploited by the Bene Gesserit. Not a religious figure, but a tool. And the Fremen “the One.” The Lisan Al-Gaib. A false messiah planted by the Bene Gesserit. Paul is the first “the one” and uses his power and training to feign being the second one. One thing I don’t like about the movie is the compressed timelines, this took many years in the novel. Also, the Great Houses accepted his betrothal to Princess Irulan and the war began anyway

He is so similar to Eren Yeager it’s insane. From the “Hope of Humanity” to “Devil of Paradise” . I’m sure Isayama used Paul as an inspiration.

One of the criticisms the adaption gets regarding Stilgar is how fast he shifts to true believer, which definitely has truth behind it, but the entire time I was watching there's a specific part of the book that kept popping into my head regarding him. I can't remember if its when Paul goes south or at the very end of the book, but he's looking around at everyone worshipping him and recognises that Stilgar is no longer a person but a creature and fears that Gurney may become the same. The entire of part 2 that section kept coming into my head.

Denis’ adaptation is phenomenal and while it is a warning against a messianic figure its important to remember it is NOT a revenge story. Due to his prescience Paul can see all realities and this changed him drastically. So much so that revenge doesnt cross his mind at the climax of the story as he is no longer Paul but rather Lisan al Gaib. This is important because the movie potrays Paul with a sort of arrogance and selfishness towards revenge but it misses the point of how him fully unlocking his prescience shows him the brutal but necessary path he takes and eventually his son finishes. Paul in my interpretation of the books is the antihero who did what had to be done and the fact he was a regular human before allows the reader to relate in some capacity and show that anyone could be capable of this.

IMO Paul did become the "real" messiah by the end, but that's precisely why he's dangerous. "Fake Messiah" is actually two fold: 1. The myth of mahdi or messiah was planted by Bene Gesserit, the very people who were commited to this breeding program that produced Paul. So the "prophecy" wasn't really any prophecy at all, but a calculated and meticulously executed plan. 2. Paul didn't even measure up to this manufactured "prophecy" up till the point when he drank the water of life. To my understanding, the Bene Gesserit's manufactured myth about a Messiah was actually meant for a fully realized "kwisatz haderach" who has drunk the blue water and unlocked his full potential. But Paul didn't have the luxury of time to drink the water in a safe Bene Gesserit environment because his family was thrown into the chaos of Arrakis by the emperor's schemes. You can tell the myths were for a full kwisatz haderach because they said he "speaks your language" and "knows your ways". Normally an outsider wouldn't have this knowledge unless they have the ancestral memory thing. Paul and Jessica had to try hard to fit into this bigger shoe than who they really were. Luckily, Jessica being a member of Bene Gesserit, had intimate knowledge of the plans of the sisterhood and was very familiar with the religious stuff they brainwash people with. Thus they had a better chance of "cheating" their way into the Fremens' belief. Were it Feyd-Rautha who was put into Paul's position, he wouldn't do nearly as well as Paul did with the Fremen. But in the end, both of the two "fakeness" were subverted: 1. The Bene Gesserit ultimately failed to control Paul, leaving him free to promise to the fremen what they desired. In a word, Paul is truely "of the fremen, by the fremen, for the fremen" at this point, instead of being a tool for an ousider organization. With the Harkonnens dead and the Sardaukars annhilated, his vengeance against the emperor and baron were complete and he didn't need the jihad for himself. He only did it because the fremen wished it. 2. Paul did drink the water and become the almost omniscient super being. He faked it until he made it. You don't get to start an intergalactic massacre without becoming the true messiah.

Thank you. I've been trying to get people to see that Paul is a victim, not a hero, for 45 years. It doesn't seem subtle to me, but most people can't (or won't) see it. The movie makes it even clearer, and most people are still missing the point. I suspect this is a measure of the intensity with which most people yearn for a Messiah to relieve them of their moral agency.

As a Christian I know that the dune books and movies are supposed to be anti religion but I actually find myself agreeing with a lot of what it says. I love how it shows that no mere human can be a messiah because we can’t, we are flawed and sinful. I also agree that religion can be used as a tool, but I wouldn’t say that automatically makes it not true though.