ROTB Scourge was NEVER going to be Bayverse Optimus Prime | Talon Discussions

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After u explain how Optimus Prime was never a psychopath and I agree with that since this is a different universe its too obvious its never going to have a crossover with Bayverse

What bothered me the most about this theory was the sheer size difference between Bayverse-Optimus and Scourge. If Unicron somehow corrupted the 3rd or 4th most powerful Autobot alive, why on Earth would he shrink him 10 feet instead of keeping the height advantage when traveling to a reality where cybertronians are shorter?

I think the part where Scourge gets unmasked should have at least had some easter egg for the fans so that it doesn't turn out the awkward way it did. Like, maybe model his face to look like G1 Scourge or hell, make him look like one of the Quintessons, at least that would raise some interesting discussions. But no. Instead we got the love child of Ultron and Springtrap.

if the theory was true hypothetically speaking, it would have ruined the movie itself, why? because it would be copying the last knight Optimus prime being brainwashed again? no way bruh plus there's the size difference the bayverse are taller than the rotb

I never believed the theory myself. The fact that the theory itself was based on literally the top of Scourge's head behind his mask, and that Bayverse Optimus is a brutal warrior, that's all they had to go off of. By that logic, Megatron could've been Scourge, since he turned into a truck in DOTM. Or Sentinel Prime, or any of the other Bay movie cast.

This was such a cool idea to me. When I saw Scourge’s mask come off in the movie, I thought they were gonna do the reveal with all of that suspense. I was disappointed, but I guess it wouldn’t have worked.

Even if Scourge was Bayverse Prime, the more you look into the theory it just doesn’t align properly. Especially when you consider the opening scene and the ambiguity of when it takes place. The future? Or the past? The film never explains it. Also with Unicron in town, chances are Megatron is Galvatron and that's why nobody has mentioned him in any new material. The Decepticons don’t even seem too concerned about the possibility Megatron might be dead but we won’t know anything until that incoming GI Joe flop releases.

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Maybe the reason why people thought Scourge would be some sort of Optimus Prime was because in Robots in Disguise Scourge was basically Nemesis Prime so if the movie said Scourge was from a timeline where the autobots lost the war or something then it could make sense. Although why specifically Bayverse Prime idk

Scourge needed to be bulkier. Also the fact fans thought he was Bayverse Prime, made me realize some Transformers fans had something in their water that messed em up.

Finally, I'm not the only one who didn't believe the "ROTB Scourge is secretly Bayverse Optimus" theory. Even taking into account any similarities between the two, and his helmet in his (control) artwork looking similar to Bayverse Prime, I never believed in, nor hopped on the train of this theory on the grounds of "unless the film/producers say otherwise" and look where we are now. After the Scourge unmasked scene, the only thing I could say was "Ultron, what are you doing in Transformers?". Also, I believe another thing that people believed in the theory was the Energon Igniter Battletrap toy because the character artwork was a rusty orange version of Bayverse Ironhide. And at that point, I thought, "Gee guys, why not take it a step further and say Nightbird was gonna be Bayverse Arcee because they're both prominent females and Freezer and Novakane were Bayverse Wheelie and Brains just because of their small size?" because things were going nuts with this theory.

It was a cool idea for me but I'm glad it didn't happen

This theory is as viable as the Blackout = Grindor Bonecrusher = reused model in Egypt battle Brawl = Desert Brawl Scrapper = Trench In other words complete nonsense

I can see that ROTB Scourge may have taken inspiration from RiD Scourge, and the character he inspired, Armada Nemesis Prime, as he has the same name as the former but is a herald of Unicron like the latter. His truck mode being a Peterbilt also plays into the idea that RiD Scourge was "Optimus-like" but not an exact clone of RiD's Optimus. In RiD, Scourge was a Laser Prime repaint, and I believe in the design process of ROTB Scourge, they may have been inspired to use elements from Bayverse Prime, but that's about all that connects the two. I don't know what Caple intended with the unmasking scene, but there was an origin story for Scourge that ultimately got cut from ROTB, so perhaps that had something to do with it.

I'm personally not a fan of Scourge's maskless head, not because it's not bay Optimus as whilst it was an intriguing theory, it was supported by paper straws, but because the masked face looks so unique, it being removed made his face become too generic.

I thought it might be possible, since they keep trying to loosely tie the new films in with the Bay films, but in hindsight, it's clear that they won't make a cord-severing move like that until they're comfortable establishing a 'new franchise' that will be as profitable as the Bay films, since both BB and ROTB weren't cutting it

I never once believed in this theory, however I can definitely understand why others did. The original version of Nemesis Prime was simply a clone of Optimus named Scourge, and with all the coincidences between Bayverse Prime and Scourge's designs, it seemed reasonable for people to believe something similar is happening. Another reason is that it would give us some insight on the aftermath of TLK. With the fan projects and the requests, it's clear Bayverse fans are still interested in some kind of conclusion to the original film universe. Plus, Hollywood is so interested on doing soulless nostalgia bait films these days that I'm somewhat surprised they didn't add this plot twist in last minute. Also I think in the original script Scourge's face reveal was originally supposed to show how much he's damaged and abused by Unicron and that he has no free will. I don't remember where I first heard this, it might've been either the interview where Steven Caple Jr talks about the Transit scene or the TFW thread about the test screenings.

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I’m very glad it didn’t happen, it would’ve been nice to have acknowledgement of bayverse, but it just would’ve been absolutely stupid so thank goodness it didn’t happen.