The Pantsir Problem

I forgot to add in some maps you can't fly over 20km away from the combat zone without getting telported around back into the zone. I'm tired Boss. 3% off Gaijin Store store.gaijin.net/catalog.php?category=WarThunder&p… and you get my decal too

Just a reminder that they nerfed the other AA when the Pantsir was added

the problem is not that the Pantsir is good, it's that it's the only nation that get something as good as it is

Crotale according to french: 16km range. Crotale according to chinese: 15km range. Crotale according to Gaijin: 10km is best I can do, take it or leave it. France and PRC are the only two producers of the system, where else have Gaijin gotten their "secret documents"?

the thing makes me losing my mind is the fact that the Pantsir is the only AA that can track multiple targets when other older ingame radars can track more targets aswell, but it is not modeled in the game for them, makig evary change of target extremely painful!

Don’t forget that the “reason” pansir was added was that the tunguska was “not good enough” as a top tier aa even though it was already one of the best aa systems in game before them

See this is kinda why you want some goofball to bring a Sturm tiger out Because that fucker can range the enemy spawn in based off the cap point distance and just Overpressure anything over there

As a Japan main, top tier is literally impossible to play right now. I always get put with the US, and face not only Russia, but also China, meaning no air. Pantsirs, TY-90s, and more. Then the enemy team gets full air superiority, and I die a horrible death. I wish Japan just had something on the ground to counter that. My condolences to anyone not playing Russia. That 90% win rate they have is quite horrific. I wonder if new players know that the endgame they are grinding for is just die to Russia.

It should be restricted to rooftops like the on top of the Russian MOD

Lets not forget when the Pantsir came out, almost every other top tier spaa was fucking nerfed, so the beam riding and reaction time was made more "realistic" TWICE.

Spawned in a heli and just started to get off the ground, already had MAWS screaming at me and died under 20 seconds on Sinai, dude was parked at the edge of the map where he can see spawns directly and there's no cover out there. That was my first experience with this thing lmao

AP shells also don't spall when they pen 6mm of armor or less and guess what tanks have less than 6mm of armor on the inside. Well of course it's the Russian T-80 tanks. It might be a coincidence but it seems a bit suspicious.

Achtung Pantsir!

Anyone who claims this game isnt purely a propaganda machine for Russia is flat out lying

I swear they'll make the f-22 less stealthy than the su-57

Another problem about this monstrosity AAA is that it makes Russian cas Unstoppable like you can't engage mig-27's in your jet anymore because this thing can just see you, you have to play peek-a-boo with these stupid trucks and have to engage them so far you can't even render them in. (Edit: another fun fact actually a few America and a lot of other countries have nothing that could be added to actually compared to this monstrosity unless it's a entire like Carriage cart of vehicles also they could have literally just given Russia the tor but no they went out of their way to add this thing

Russia has arguably the best top tier/end of the line vehicles~ Top tier MBT: BVM (may be beaten by other nations now) Top tier light light vehicles: 2s38, BMP-2m, Khrizantema (Khrizantema's ATGMs are basically the best in the game for ground vehicles) Top tier AA: Pantsir Top tier fighter: Mig-29 Top tier CAS aircraft: MIG-27K Top tier drone: Has a second missile that does 10km rather than 8 Top tier Helicopter: Ka-50/52, Mi-28nm Top tier bluewater: Kronshtadt Top tier coastal: SKR-1/7 No other nation really has an equivalent to those vehicles or anything as powerful, especially when it comes to helis and AA. And for anyone curious, the music in Iron's video is the "Night Train To Nebelsbad"

They should've stopped around systems with less than 15km if not 10km of range. Though i wonder now, how much is it's accuracy at above 10km, cause if it somehow still has extreme accuracy even after like 15km of range after maneuvers and still also hit against a multitude of countermeasures, it gets quite suspicious.

Fuck the panstir. Sure I shouldn’t have taken my A-10 in an 11.0 but I shouldn’t be getting shot down from my air spawn next to the airfield.

It’s also a double edged sword iron, because some content creator brought this up before but CAS can still marginally function even with the 10km SAMS thanks to guided munitions, but the Pantsir shuts the airspace down entirely meaning Russian aircraft are free to manoeuvre care free. It’s a buff to Russian CAS as well, because the Mig 27 wasn’t bad enough. What’s even uglier is the dynamic between CAS and SHORAD because there’s a really fine and hard line between CAS and SHORAD being that SHORAD either out ranges CAS guided munitions and cas becomes impossibly hard to play or CAS out ranges SHORAD and AAA becomes prey. If they added something like the AGM-45 Shrike we would have a cool dynamic where by there’s a fight and struggle between the two as the AAA turns their radar on and off while the attacker pursues closer.