Building a Better Civilization with Tech Pioneer Jordan Hall | Win-Win with Liv Boeree

Published 2023-07-06
If you ever downloaded online videos since the year 2000, this man is who you should thank! This week I’m speaking with technologist and philosopher Jordan Hall, a founder of numerous early-internet companies including video codec company DivX.

However, he is best known these days as a philosopher; I learned of him through his contributions to a community known as Game B, which seeks to understand how human civilization can transform itself into a more sustainable, anti-rivalrous, win-win dynamic.

Today’s conversation is a philosophical and technical dive into the anthropological drivers of competition, complexity, power structures, and the role of AI in shaping a more Game B future.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:34 Childhood Games & Competition
08:22 Evolutionary Reason for Positive Externalities when Competing
12:53 What is Game B
27:50 Cybernetic control structures and the Culture Wars
33:18 Capitalism and Communism as two sides of the same coin
36:11 Why Game A is self-terminating
54:18 How to move toward a Game B society
59:58 How individuals can move towards Game B
01:01:26 The Hyperconversation and Collective Insight
01:07:18 Creating the next Collective Intelligence
01:11:18 How to protect against bad actors
01:19:43 How to cultivate more of a Game B lifestyle
01:31:43 Mental resilience against doom and negativity
01:39:28 AI as a tool against Moloch
01:43:35 What’s next?

RELEVANT LINKS:
♾️ The Game B Wiki
www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
♾️ Jordan Hall’s Blog
medium.com/@jordangreenhall
♾️ The Secrets of Our Success - Joseph Heinrich
www.amazon.com/Secret-Our-Success-Evolution-Domest…
♾️ Understanding the Blue Church
medium.com/deep-code/understanding-the-blue-church…
♾️ Collective Insight Practices - Bonnitta Roy
rebelwisdom.co.uk/14-film-content/collective-intel…
♾️ The Medium is the Message - Marshall Mcluhan
www.amazon.com/Medium-Massage-Marshall-McLuhan/dp/…

CREDITS:
♾️ Hosted by: Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced & Edited by: Raymond Wei
♾️ Audio Mix by: Keir Schmidt

♾️ The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

Watch the previous episode with Simon Sinek here:    • Simon Sinek on Competition, Business ...  

All Comments (21)
  • @LivBoeree
    Thanks for watching! Who should I interview next, Win-Winners?
  • @DaveShap
    TLDR: Game A vs Game B is a rehash of Finite vs Infinite Games by James Carse. Hyperconversation is the functional aspect of "collective unconscious" i.e. hyperconversation is how collective unconscious is conveyed
  • The amount of knowledge that is in the HDD and not the just RAM of this man is ridiculous.
  • @goober-ll1wx
    This guys use of language is simply sublime...
  • Thank you @LivBoeree for this interview. I loved the concept of using hyperconversation as a mindfulness technique. It makes me think about how we can encompass an action like "be mindful with your process/thinking" and awareness is really meta-helpful. The way he framed it made it seem like even if were not close to being there, there's always hope in whatever shifts we can make - especially if it entails how we act or think or filter or notice. Thank you for your own part in the collective miracle by inventing your own hologram inversion to Game-A mentality. You're certainly building momentum!
  • @good_ant
    This led me to watch Jordan's appearance on Triggernometry 2 years ago which I can now highly recommend!
  • @good_ant
    My first time hearing of Jordan. Thanks for the introduction!
  • @teiuq
    "it's the reductio that happens when you use money as a protocol for communications between individuals so it reduces the complexity of actual of diversity of values into a single signifier " Jordan Hall
  • @RickDelmonico
    Freedom is an incentive, responsibility is an understanding.
  • @user-pd8ph2yf1q
    I think that there should be some way to simulate the effects of the hyper conversation by vectorizing a bunch of podcasts related to gameb (such as this one) . You can then talk to an AI connected to this vector database that is prompted to try to connect ideas in the podcasts to whatever it is that you are talking about
  • @bradholc
    The ability to hold dichotomy within is so important. Be the person who plants the tree who's shade they shall never sit under.
  • I believe there is another possibility....that something completely outside of the pattern emerges and lights the whole thing up - in a good way. I believe it would be in our best interest to hold that possibility very seriously.
  • @packardsonic
    I'm quite tired of people's avoidance of simplifying as if it is the main problem. Ignoring important aspects of reality is always the problem, obviously. But the reason why Newton and Maxwell brought us so much capacity and abundance was because they simplified physical reality to simple equations. All great progress is the result of such simplifications. Sure, reductionism has its dangers when we ignore the complexity of reality and thus begin missing important parts of the world, but the avoidance of simplification leads to paralysis. Our brain is in many ways mostly a filter of reality for us to be able to function. Notice how none of these people are actually providing solutions. They just say things like: "we need to be smarter and wiser". As if that were helpful advice.
  • @stefanlouw6395
    Jonathan Pageau - he is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture.
  • @F1986R
    Yeah, many movies and memories with DivX
  • Epic discussion! To add to it, the cultures that built the cathedrals also knew/believed in reincarnation. So, while they knew their current incarnation wouldn't see the end, their next lives would. Still beautiful and still an important mindset ❤❤