How Bayle BROKE the FORGE of the GIANTS – DLC Lore Elden Ring SOTE

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So you’re saying he… “Bayled out?”

"After all, the Forge wasn't designed for pressure cooking dragons" is a glorious sentence I wish I could hear more often in lore speculation videos

I love this theory. I'd like to add one speculation though. The forge wasn't meant to kill the Bayle we fight in-game, but a primordial Bayle. This stronger primordial Bayle succumbed to his wounds after this event, but his stone heart was eaten by a giant, troll, or human, making him the first case of dragon communion. After a time Bayle's soul took over and is the bayle we fight in the present. Since this bayle is a hybrid formed by dragon communion his offspring are not pure dragons, but drakes.

So like, as per Borealis' mist. "The ice dragons were once lords of the mountaintops long ago, until they were defeated by the Fire Giants and chased from the peak." So that puts the fire giants much later than bayle. Now, whats the evidence that it wasn't the fire giants who forged it? Where is the correlation of the big fossilised giants with the forge outside of conjecture? Even the fire giants' age has been long over by the time we came along, so using its aged appearance doesnt really prove anything. The game tells us that dragon communion is a practice that is established after Bayle's betrayal. And dragon communion eventually turns the heart eating warriors into the magma wyrms. If what you said about Bayle is true, who was Bayle before then? Who was the first creature to eat a dragon's heart? Theres no evidence that ancient dragon hearts can even be consumed. And whoever actually did it cant have been the old titans, as Bayle is simply way too small. And the biggest problem i see with this issue is, if Bayle is so strong as to cause such a cataclysm. Whats stopping him from doing it again? Hes nowhere near as powerful as that in his fight against us. That's without mentioning how an explosion of that magnitude would have absolutely pulverised the forge.

I wanna preface that I 100% agree with the premise that the forge was used as a pressure cooker; excellent catch, and I'm now wondering just where in the hell the lid is in the landscape now XD I think Bayle's physical appearance and unique abilities are a consequence of him being the equivalent of an Omen Dragon. The mark of the crucible is curved, curled or knotted horns and Omens have burning blood; Bayle has six curled ram's horns, a heart with horn-like gravelstone and his lightning is infused with fire/magma. The Omen Curse also causes one to be haunted in their sleep by nightmarish spirits which causes distress and fear; omen killer masks emulate their likeness. That constant hounding explains why Bayle is such a rage fueled murder machine, as he can't just chill out and meditate in deep, blissful slumber like Placidusax (seems to be doing when we find him) or Florissax (if we use Thiollier's concoction on her). The fact the latter works to forgo sleep, views it as so alluring and is immediately disowned by her Lord for faltering lead me to believe that sleep is especially significant for dragons. The Crucible's influence seems to blend living creatures together, with Hornsent society venerating beings based on how "conjoined" they were with different creatures. It's effects come across as a form of supernatural mutagenic influence, one that seems to intersect with spirits (and dreams in the Omen's case) on some level. Bestial humanoids who display features from conjoined beings like the Hornsent (who display varying levels of physical mutations with a "baseline" of simple human with small, knotted horns), Misbegotten, (who seem to be "humans" hit with much more pronounced animalistic features) and Omens (the most mutated). I think that the twisted, tangled and gnarled aesthetic which permeates all things associated with it is meant to be emblematic of the chaos of the natural world where creatures and beasts clash and evolve in a constant cycle of life, death and rebirth. To go a little further, apparently the Japanese for "Crucible" essentially means "Jar" and a crucible is a container where things are melted down, like in a forge turned pressure-cooker. "The" Crucible would be the metaphysical place where the spiritual essence of the dead return, are melted down and then reborn. Sometimes they get tangled together (knotted horns), leading to being born with the aforementioned conjoined traits, which was seen as holy in the past, but now savage and undesirable. In Dark Souls, the external influence of the First Flame brought on change which led to a wide array of draconic offshoots that traded full immortality and an unchanging nature for useful evolved adaptations like breathing fire, resisting lightning or spouting clouds of acid. In Elden Ring, the Crucible's influence worked itself on the Ancient Dragons, with Bayle being the very first affected so. He and his Drake descendants only have gravel-stone encrusted hearts because they were conjoined with the traits of other beings, losing immortality but gaining the ferocious ambition and drive of the shorter lived and incredible adaptability. This is why the drakes continue to thrive despite everything (even Scarlet Rot!), while the ancients are ever dwindling. Just like Seath the Scaleless is theorized to be the first dragon born after the First Flame and showcases the extremes of disparity, Bayle the Dread, as the first Ancient Dragon to be affected by the Crucible, was the most mutated and changed it could possibly have been: an Omen. The combo of constant night-terrors, getting shafted with mortality and likely being on a lower rung in Placidusax's Order because of his "deformity" probably pissed Bayle right off, and when his Elden Lord's God fled, he just went for it. Edit: To tie it back to the ideas advanced in this video, if the Dragons were indeed forged by the ancient titans, Bayle might have been their first attempt at harnessing the crucible's power in the dragon forging process, and it went horribly wrong. The Spira incantation mentions that the spiral (so, the Scadutree itself) is a "normalized Crucible current" which (to me) implies two things. -This is something which can be harnessed -There is more than one "current" that emanates from the Crucible, and they manifest as distinct growths that springs up from the root network under the Lands Between.

Holy shit. Not gonna lie, up until the more intensive examination of the Forge, I kinda thought you were doing some wild speculation. The chains, though, what an observation--it's basically impossible to conclude anything BUT that there was something atop it being held in place that was violently ripped away, breaking one chain and setting the other spinning wildly in its full length from the other end. Incredible find! Not as sure about the rest of it--the vitrified rock on the divine towers, for instance, is oriented toward the central sea area, suggesting that's more likely due to the meteor impact supposed to have broken Farum Azula apart long ago. Very interesting ideas for sure though, and the closed forge is certain...

I think the Fire Giant's shield is actually a torch used to light the flame of the forge. It looks like an Olympic cauldron

I just noticed this, "Bayle and his bloodline have served as sacrifices". Isn't one of Melina's echoes of Marika similar? "If you fail, you will serve only as sacrifices" or some such?

Man, I love Fromsoft lore channels. Thanks for showing me things I'd never notice though I have at least 1000 hours in Elden Ring.

Interesting theory, though it is sort of built entirely on speculation, but it does help explain things that otherwise wouldn’t be(like the lava marks on the towers and forge) I’m not sure how I feel about the giants making the dragons, but I do like the idea of Bayle refusing to cooked and then raining hell on the entire lands between. Honestly I think that he and Placidusax might be the most powerful characters in the game(besides the Tarnished)

"This video is a no holds barred discussion of a focal aspect of the dlcs narrative" yessss im ready! Lol

I would suggest that the titans likely used the blood of a the crucible god as an ingredient to make ancient dragons. Ancient dragons have all the aspects of the crucible in harmony, intelligent design by the titans, since as we know from the hornsent, omen, misbegotten and critters the blessing can be very random and cancerous in their growth.

Lore has been on overdrive since the DLC came out

The ending makes Ansbach words so much more heavy "Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men"

I’m pretty sure the forge may have been ontop of the jagged peak inside bayles arena

I love the observation that the one chain is tied or wound around instead of connected properly. Some cool ideas for sure but there was not enough evidence presented for the forge having anything to do with dragons for me to buy it fully. Keep cooking your videos are good.

This is some next level speculation alright. Incredible video once again. I just disagree with one part, that being the cauldron pressure being strong enough to cause a cataclysmic extinction event. Most sources say a large scale eruption must at least contain 100,000 cubic kilometers of magma and I really can't imagine that being contained in that cauldron, it's immensely large for sure but I just don't think it matches caldera magma reservoirs, especially when we see how the event quite literally lathered several structures across the lands between. Lava also solidifies like ebbing liquid not the spiky mess that we see on Divine Towers but I digress.

Thanks for putting out good content so consistently lately! Good video brother

idk about all of this but that forge analysis was def onto something!! really interesting to think abt and will def be holding this as head cannon for now lol