The Dark Side of Deltarune Ships | Why Kris X Ralsei is BAD | Deltarune Theory and Discussion

it just seems clear to me that ralsei’s connection to asriel, whatever it may be, would keep kris from being attracted to ralsei at all.

Honestly the purpose of ships isn't to guess how likely they are to be canon, but cause people like to play with dolls and make them smooch together. The validity of canon is just a bonus and a fuel for more content of said ship.

i think jevil/spamton is good simply bc it is incredibly stupid. Spamton having had a divorce is just an insane and a hilarious thought to me.

I can see the shipping wars getting really toxic after chapter 3-5, depending on how they lean on shipping. Also, Duck thrash machine x Swan boat is the best Deltarune ship.

I think the reason I gravitate towards Krusie is because every single moment that could be interpreted as a "Krusie moment" was made without the direct influence of the player. Obviously, there's that one festival question that Susie asks Kris, where she asks who they would take to the festival, every single response elicits a weirded out reaction from Kris, except for when they say they'd take Susie, showing that they feel completely natural saying that. Along with that, there's no instance where the player can attempt to push a romance with Susie, aside from that carnival question, at least from what I remember, all "Krusie moments" come from Kris's own actions and words without the direct influence of the player.

I wouldn’t say Asgore in undertale was cowardly. I feel like that implies he had a lack of confidence in his fighting abilities. I think it’s more that he didn’t truly want to fight humans/humankind, he just felt pressure to do what he thought his kingdom needed

I love King and Queen dynamic, but even if Queen says that she is Lancer's "mother", and if their dialogue sounds UNCANNYLY like a common domestic interaction (at least my parents talk like this, LOL), I think that they're just very good friends, "angry pensive guy and extra positive idiot have fun together" kind if thing. And don't forget that we still have never seen Queen Spades, who can be literally anything or even not be at all, we just need to wait and see.

Personally, I never interpreted the Ralsei options as romantic. He’s a guy that’s never had a single friend until us. I picked those options because we’re supposed to be his friend, and I know how sheltered he is.

Kris and Noelles ship feels like a heavy subversive take on romance games. Sometimes in order to get with character you outright forse them to like you. And. . .yeah, neither Kris nor Nielle enjoy this, plus there's heavy manipulations and negative character arcs involved

Here's something I thought about Ralsei. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but he has a habit of psychologically and emotionally adapting to the other character's needs and desires, and Kris's (or also the Player's, it's kind of muddled honestly) in particular. What if this adaptation isn't just psychological and emotional, but also physical? What if the initial weird, black-furred fuzzy form that doesn't look like a goat at all is actually his original form? It really doesn't look like the black fur is just a shadow cast by his hat, it really does like black fur until the reveal happens. What if him assuming a form resembling Asriel is actually a retroactive adaptation to Kris' psychological need, or an attempt to appeal more sympathetic to Kris?

I can't help feeling bad for Ralsei. Poor guy's been alone for so long, doesn't get much in the way of respect from others, and he may have feelings for someone who at best doesn't feel the same way, and at worst is repulsed by the idea. ... Is the Soul and Ralsei a thing?

fun fact: one of the other ship names for Kris x Berdly is Krispy Chicken

I'll be honest, I don't think any ships are gonna become canon (except maybe Suselle because Toby seems to be hinting at that more than others). But that doesn't mean that the ships can't be fun! As long as it's not problematic and you remember that it's just a game and you shouldn't be too angry if it's not canon or someone else has a different opinion, ship to your heart's content!

I understand all the points of this video, but there is something you missed about the krusie ship about lt almost being in the realm of canon as during chapter 2 if Kris drinks the Susie tea it heals them to max health and Susie will commentating "stop looking at me like that" and Ralsei saying "they seem into it". At the end of chapter two saying that Kris should bring Susie to the fair is the only option to give unique dialogue

I think Asgore and Rudy is fun. And with a... weird amount of stuff in the realm of canon, tbh.

I think Susie x Noelle might just be a crush that stays a crush situation and would be definitely realistic as many people in Middle-highschool have had crushes that just stayed crushes and grew out of it.

Potentially even more uncomfortable than Ralsei's resemblance to Asriel is the strong possibility that Ralsei is that headband with the little red horns that Kris used to wear. If that's the case, then Ralsei would essentially be the living manifestation of Kris' own identity crisis and feelings of isolation. The player forcing Kris to act so love-dovey toward someone who represents something to personal and painful just seems kinda cruel the more that I think about it. Kris needs to be allowed to come to terms with Ralsei and what he likely represents on their own terms; we can't just force Kris to get over their problems with a button press.

I kinda like it in a humorous way how there is some canonical weight to Susie being shipped with every lightner her age she has interacted with. In Deltarune, it is obvious that WD Gaster is assembling a garage band of Tumblr sexymen, and Susie is assembling a harem whom she really wishes everyone wasn’t involved in (except for one character of your choice, of course).

So basically, Asgore isn't allowed to love anyone else because his entire character is based around how he can't be with Toriel. Isn't that a bit hypocritical since you said Kris can't be with Noelle because it makes Noelle more misrable? Why can't Asgore be happy or find a relationship that helps him heal with his past trauma?

I like the idea about Ralsei being what Kris might want to be of feel like they need to be. Kris fits the commander character archetype, which is generally ignored but it's arguably a support role that lets you command the rest of the team. Ralsei fits the role of a healer (and Susie is both tank and DPS); the healer is always the class everyone wants on the team but also the least fun to play most of the time.