J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1976 - The Transformation of Man - 2 - A mechanical way of...
Published 2014-01-07
Summary:
Is there psychological security at all, a sense of well-founded, deep-rooted existence?
When you hear that there is no security, is it an abstract idea or an actual fact?
My security lies in some image, a picture, a conclusion, an ideal.
The brain needs order in order to function. It finds order in mechanical process because it is trained from childhood to do so.
When the past meets the present and continues, it is one of the factors of time, bondage, fear. But when the past meets the present and I am completely aware of this moment, then it stops. Then I meet you as though for the first time.
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All Comments (21)
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Having Dr. Shainberg there was quite important. As we clearly see the Cognitive Block by Dr. Shainberg is very similar to the majority may have. This and the discussion from 1982 is worth pure gold.
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The patience of Krishnamurti with Dr. Shainberg, my God! How inspiring!
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I just love this Dr. Shainberg dude, it seems like he is really try to engage with the concepts, honestly. He is trying to feeling them, to observe them in that moment. Many times K had to say to the audience "are you interested? are you following? are you looking at it?". But with this man, he didnt dare to istigate him, he almost had to contain him
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What a patience by K. for listening that the guy who in the middle.
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Min 18:21 "Or is our objetion to see things as they are?". This really let me shock and in tears. Because our main problem is that we never want to face facts. We want to be in true but without let the path of thought. It is in our perception that all the problem begans. Because we doesn't deal with what it is but with what we want or desaire. My goodness, Kirshnaji's questions always let me in silence for several minutes.
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K says “ there may be sane people all over the world” and this threatens a psychologists security. Then they all laugh. They know what’s going on and see the humor on our insecurity. Nice
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David bohm I respect every feedback he gives he is outstanding
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just amazing.Dr Shainberg ,innocently and truthfully reveals his innermost ....without him this conversation would have been incomplete...
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The word "security" denotes fear, and fear/greed generate from this "I-ness", 2 sides of the same coin, one is fear of losing something, the other is to grasp for more: material, fame, other's memories that organized into knowledge.While absolute truth that K is pointing out has no center, no "I-ness", no divisions, no comparisons, no conflicts, no bickering, no wars. Learn, listen then act absolutely in our life's moving situations/ circumstances. True action in freedom Thanks K and friends.
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I love Dr. Shainberg because regardless of his cognitive dissonance there's the impulse to understand, to pierce through his conditioning; obviously this conditioning and lack of spiritual understanding don't let him do it. On the other hand, Bohm seems to be quick-minded, to grasp and entertain several aspects of the object of study. I wonder if he actually came to realize these things, to perceive, to see; most probably, and for that Krishnamurti deserves much gratitude. I think it only takes to have this SERIOUSNESS to end with that psychological system and content, I mean, being really into this transformation is such an important thing.
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-why are human beings sick? -time i love this end
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Seeing j krishna mirti laugh at 6:24 soothes my heart
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Bohm was an interesting character. Extremely intelligent and funny in a wry way.
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we are in love with our ego, our history, our thoughts, our conclusions, our family history, that's why we cannot see or understand what Krishnamurti speaks, Krishnamurti's order implies dying to all that, and few are really willing to do that, more find that intellectually we can understand it, it is only our Ego believing that understanding Krishnamurti makes us more intelligent or spiritual, that is still ego, as long as you have opinions you have ego
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“Whether you’re going up the ladder or down the ladder your position is precarious.” - Old Zen saying
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At the beginning I got desperate with Dr Shainberg interventions, but all is teaching, because my dayli life is majority lived like Dr Shainberg participations (erratic & desconnected), JK & Dr Bohm werent patient, they only showed their compation to him and to the rest of humanity
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I think we can see when we speak about something mechanic, how inmidiately appears in our mind the nature of pleasure. How we go into the movement of pleasure always hoping that will not ended as something terrible, painfull or sorrow. In fact, one feels that the movement of pleasure is always wanting to never end. Which is what brings suffer.
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haha i saw Krishnamurti laugh for the first time in one of these videos :D
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21:20 I think this dialogue is very relevant these days that life is threatened by a pandemic and people search for security in toilet paper causing shortages in stores... Just like the title says: A mechanical way of living leads to disorder.
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Three amazing men
