The Dark side of Science: The Horror of the Ape and The Child Experiment 1932 (Short Documentary)

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Imagine being the worst parents in the world for two different species

"Ultimately, Gua was limited by the fact she was a chimpanzee" Yes, I imagine that COULD be an issue.

Gua and Donald seemed very attached to each other, so I actually find the most cruel part of this video the fact that they were abruptly separated after having spent their entire life together and clearly depended on each other

The fact that Donald grew up to study psychiatry should speak volumes on how his whole upbringing affected his life. He was probably trying to understand why humans could do that to animals and other humans.

"Straight away the Kelloggs started noticing the physical and behavioral differences between the 2 infants"... How observant of them!

There is something inherently evil about the name Kellogg.

As someone with POTS, I have a feeling Gua’s disorientation after standing upright for long also had to do with her circulation not being suited for long upright times. She probably got less bloodflow to her head after standing upright for periods that were longer than the chimp’s system were built to handle.

I feel so bad for Gua and Donald being pulled apart like that. I bet that was so hard for both of them 😢

How did these people expect to treat a chimp like a human being when they couldn’t even treat their own child like a human being?

Imagine having a kid and immediately thinking, “I’m gonna use them as a test subject!” 💀

I can’t believe both parents were allowed to do this. To actually use their own child in an experiment like this and then publish a book about it later. Depriving their child of a normal upbringing where he could socialise was extremely evil and bound to end badly. I wasn’t at all surprised when I heard he took his own life at 43 years old. This is such a tragic story that didn’t need to happen.

Scientifically, this is not a comparison because the chimp was traumatized at 7 months by being removed from his mother. The human child did not have that kind of trauma (although being a test subject must be traumatic). Chimps don't stand upright because of anatomy and physiology. This is cruel. The name Kellogg has been synonymous with craziness... the whole sugar and fat lie started with Kellogg...

Shooting off a gun to purposely startle a baby and a chimp? Spinning a child around until he is visibly sickened and in terrible distress? This is so disgusting.

This experiment was so unnecessary for psych, people already knew at the time that there are limitations in anatomy of differing species. The Kellogs were some of the most frustrating and stupidly cruel researchers on the planet.

"Raise it like a child" "Abandon it after a year or so" It's not hard to imagine why Donald's life ended in tragedy. He probably spent most of his childhood being a guinea pig for his parents' ambitions. They viewed their son as a subject.

Donald died in 1973… “both” parents died in 1972, unusual and we’re not told how they passed. Regardless, the loss of one parent would be stressful enough, so I’m sure the loss of both added immensely to whatever other high stressors were weighing on him. What a sad and reckless experience.

The scientists failed miserably, because they treated both as test subjects. Neither was raised like a human child. Another huge mistake was giving away Gua after 9 months. If they kept caring for Gua, even as a pet, I think it would be super interesting to see how they differ 10 years down the line. Instead they traumatized both children by separating them, leaving Gua with a weak immune system and Donald with stunted development. I’m sure the bond between Donald and Gua would have lasted a lifetime, even if Gua never acted like a human. This shit broke my heart man😪

On the speech part of this, my mother was deaf and my father was a workaholic, but we had lots of cats. According to them, my first "words" were meows for attention and hisses when I was upset. Thank goodness we had a family next door I could play with. Then my real first word was "moon" (I think I was asking for it, not understanding it was far away.)

Pro tip watch this in 1.25 playback and it sounds like he’s talking a normal speed