Yuval Noah Harari explains why the world isn't fair (but could be) | GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

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Published 2024-03-11
Author and historian @YuvalNoahHarari discusses the foundational importance of storytelling in human society, the dangers of AI in shaping narratives, why the Ukraine war is the most important geopolitical conflict today, and the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, emphasizing the potential of stories to both divide and unite.

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0:26 – Intro: Yuval Noah Harari
3:49 – Harari’s childhood concerns & why people fight
7:16 – Humans' unique power to effect change - Harari.
9:03 – Harari: AI is taking power from humans
10:33 – AI: An existential threat to humanity?
13:06 – “social weapon of mass destruction" - Harari on AI
13:43 – AI: Dictator’s latest problem
15:08 – Russia-Ukraine War: A threat to the global order
17:01 – We could already be in WWIII – Harari
17:12 – The Israel-Palestine conflict & victimhood narrative
19:55 – Harari’s mind care routine & right to be stupid

In a wide-ranging conversation with Ian Bremmer, filmed live at the historic 92nd Street Y in NYC, bestselling author Yuval Noah Harari delves into the foundational role of storytelling in human civilization, the existential challenges posed by artificial intelligence, the geopolitical implications of the Ukraine war, and the most pressing questions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Harari argues that unlike other species, humans have thrived on their unique ability to construct and believe in shared stories, which has underpinned the formation of societies, governments, and laws. However, this same capability has led to wars, inequality, and exploitation. “Humans don't fight over territory and food,” Harari tells Bremmer. They fight over imaginary stories in their minds."

Harari and Ian discuss the current global crises, including the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, as moments where humanity's collaborative superpower appears to falter. On the Ukraine war, he says that the implications of a Russian victory would spell the end of the global order as we know it. "We could already be in the midst of World War III that started on the 24th of February 2022 with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and we just don't know it yet."

They discuss AI's emerging role in creating and disseminating stories, which represents a new frontier. Harari warns that AI could eventually dominate the world's narratives, making democracy untenable and posing unprecedented challenges to both autocracies and democracies alike. "For the first time in history, we are losing power as a species at a very rapid pace, and similarly, we are also losing control of the stories that we believe."

He also specifically addresses the critical situation in Israel, criticizing government attempts to undermine democratic institutions and pointing to an ideological battle that risks altering the essence of Judaism and Israeli identity. Harari also stresses the importance of reconciling support for Palestinian rights with the defense of Israel's existence, challenging the narrative that these positions are inherently contradictory.

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All Comments (21)
  • @GZEROMedia
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  • @mindofown
    Nailed it "People fight over stories in their minds"
  • @vladdumitrica849
    The problem with fights and wars is due to the fact that in the societies we live in, relationships between people are more competitive than cooperative and not the other way around, as it was at the beginning of human civilization. We live in societies that reward individualism, selfishness, exploitation of others, rather than cooperation and help between individuals.
  • @vetv_lavrovaya
    The reason of slavery and inequality is NOT the human ability to cooperate in large numbers. The reason of these phenomena is the ability and desire of some humans to disunite others by deceiving them
  • Bravo to Yuval Harari and thank you to you Ian Bremmer for this great « brain feeder guest ». 🇫🇷🇺🇸
  • @lat1502
    His thoughts on “stories” reminds me of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling 30 or more years ago regarding the “flag burning” issue. The court recognized it as legitimate “free speech” and was not unconstitutional. I don’t know what Justice it was, but in writing about the decision, the Justice talked about the power of “simple crude symbols” (the flag) that have the ability to create strong emotional feelings in human beings.
  • @neurojitsu
    Enjoyed the gibe that Harari might actually be "worse than us"... I appreciate the conversation, and Harari's unwavering commitment to his principle of speaking his truth no matter how hard it may be. His meditation practice, even if not 'religious', is undoubtedly nurturing his compassion and we need a lot more of that in the world. Without it, the clear thinking Harari espouses and role models is simply not possible - and that is a time-tested, ancient truth that is seldom given the recognition it deserves in the cut and thrust of modern-day intellectual debates.
  • @alolsen
    One of the most constant characteristics of beliefs is their intolerance. The stronger the belief, the greater its intolerance. Men dominated by a certitude cannot tolerate those who do not accept it. So, the masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
  • @oldsteamguy
    I hope Dr. Bremmer and Dr. Harari will record another talk either live or online. 2 hours would be more like it.
  • Isaiah 5:20 KJV — Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
  • @OzGoober
    May we all have AGI's with Harari's grace.
  • @liger411
    “Part of preserving privacy is to preserve the right for stupidity…. [we] should have the right to say stupid and terrible things in private.”
  • @user-qs1jo7vv3s
    Great and insightful interview with Harari👍also like the humor that Ian put in his last question and comment
  • @vladdumitrica849
    Democracy is when those who make decisions on your behalf have the duty to ask for your consent first. Today's republics are actually modern oligarchies where the interest groups of the rich are arbitrated by the people, that is, you can choose from which table of the rich you will receive crumbs. The "fatigue" of democracy occurs when there is a big difference between the interests of the elected and the voters, thus people lose confidence in the way society functions. As a result, poor and desperate citizens will vote with whoever promises them a lifeline, i.e. populists or demagogues. The democratic aspect is a collateral effect in societies where the economy has a strong competitive aspect, that is, the interests of those who hold the economic power in society are divergent. Thus those whealty, and implicitly with political power in society, supervise each other so that none of them have undeserved advantages due to politics. For this reason, countries where mineral resources have an important weight in GDP are not democratic (Russia, Venezuela, etc.), because a small group of people can exploit these resources in their own interest. In poor countries (Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, etc.) the main exploited resource may even be the state budget, as they have convergent interests in benefiting, in their own interest, from this resource. It is easy to see if it is an oligarchy because in a true democracy laws would not be passed that would not be in the interest of the many. The first modern oligarchy appeared in England at the end of the 17th century. After the bourgeois revolution led by Cromwell succeeded, the interest groups of the rich were unable to agree on how to divide their political power in order not to reach the dictatorship of one. The solution was to appoint a king to be the arbiter. In republics, the people are the arbiter, but let's not confuse the possibility of choosing which group will govern you with democracy, that is, with the possibility of citizens deciding which laws to pass and which not to. The solution is modern direct democracy in which every citizen can vote, whenever he wants, over the head of the parliamentarian who represents him. He can even dismiss him if the majority of his voters consider that he does not correctly represent their interests. It's like when you have to build a house and you choose the site manager and the architect, but they don't have the duty to consult with you. The house will certainly not look the way you want it, but the way they want it, and it is more certain that you will be left with the money given and without the house. It is strange that outside of the political sphere, nowhere, in any economic or sports activity, will you find someone elected to a leadership position and who has failure after failure and is not fired after 4 years. We, the voters, must be consulted about the decisions and if they have negative effects we can dismiss them at any time, let's not wait for the soroco to be fulfilled, because we pay, not them. In any company, the management team comes up with a plan approved by the shareholders. Any change in this plan must be re-approved by the shareholders and it is normal because the shareholders pay.
  • @Paraselene_Tao
    2:00 haha, that's so funny. I guessed humans were the single most dangerous animals to humans and I was correct. Of course, mosquitos are the only non-human animals that kill the most humans, but I didn't exclude humans from my mental category of animals. 😅
  • @levlevin182
    Agree... We as a species manufacture both fears & happiness & don't as a whole choose between both.
  • "You know if you think about the second World War, now we know it started in first of September of 1939 when Germany invaded Poland but if you asked people, let's say, in May 1941, people in New York, people in Stalingrad, people in Hiroshima, it's not World War II. Yes there is a conflict in Europe there are some conflict in Asia, but it's not World War II. Only with hindsight can we say "Oh yeah this is when it stared" We could already be in the midst of World War III, that started in 24 of February in 2022." That is something I never thought about. WW3 could already have started...
  • @BenSmith-mg5jv
    I can't wait to hear this. I always question when ONE human tries to answer THESE KINDS OF IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE HUMAN to answer anywhere close to properly, comprehensibly, or for that matters correctly