What Happens Next For Paper Mario?

i think all mario games are rpgs because i roleplay as mario

0:24 putting origami king barely above color splash and below STICKER STAR isn’t a crime… it’s a murder… Edit:thanks for all the likes but yeah ttyd is better then all of them LOL

I heard that Paper Mario TTYD remake is selling well, but let's not celebrate just yet. Who knows what the next Paper Mario will be like. It just might be Paper Mario the Paper Mache Wizard.

No, you're not being gaslit about Origami King, it has it's merits and deserves significantly more respect. it's probably futile to argue, as many of these merits are just swept under the rug, but here goes: First of all, and this is the only thing that made me legitimately angry, is the complete omission of Bobby and Olivia from the discussion. The fact that the whole segment already dismissed most positives of the game, followed by not even mentioning these characters at all, makes the segment feel almost disingenuous. Bobby is just such a charming character, it was nice seeing him initially trying to remember his old memories in Chapter 2 before accepting it and enjoying his new memories. And when he actually does remember, he uses those memories to help save Olivia from the rock. While on the boat, he relives his tale of seeing all of his friends die to the blooper, and explaining that Bob-ombs don't have a long lifespan, so they need to value what they have, its another one of those moments that invokes the style of old Paper Mario. Then he sacrifices himself in one of the most shocking and emotional moments in the series. Bear in mind that this is the first and currently only character in the Mario franchise to die on-screen and then have the characters dwell on it. (Also, I preemptively reject the argument that Bobby's character falls flat because he is a generic Bob-omb, Tippi is a butterfly that can barely even emote, yet she is still a great character) As for Olivia, while at times she does feel like Kersti 3.0 or Heuey 2.0, but unlike those two, she has a role in the story and an actual arc. It's subtle, but it's definitely there, especially after Bobby's death. As the game progresses, she gets noticeably more mature, you can especially see this at the end of the game. The chapters of the game are NOT just "We need thing there, lets-a-go". Chapters 3-5 follow a plotline of an ancient civilization. Chapter 3 introduces the concept, and a character researching it, Chapter 4 sees you getting help from one of the ancient people to sail the seas and find a way to the old city itself in Chapter 5. Plus, Chapter 5 leads into Chapter 6 as you save bowser and use his airship to reach Olly's castle. The end of Chapter 2/Beginning of Chapter 3 has you taking a detour to the ocean to help Bobby save Olivia. There's nuance here. The thing about the battle system is that it's SUPPOSED to be a puzzle. Strategy isn't necessarily required when it's missing the point. Should it have included a little bit of classic Paper Mario battling? Totally. The boss fights, especially the Vellumentals, are proof that you can still have strategy in this primarily puzzle-based system. But the problem with most of the system's criticism is that you don't have to fight every enemy, the fact that you don't get exp actually works to the game's advantage. Heck, there's even a stealth gadget to help with this! As for the problem with not being able to defeat enemies in a single turn, assuming you've kept up with weapons and collected a decent amount of health upgrades, defeating all enemies in one go isn't too difficult so long as you line them up properly for the attack boost. Though this doesn't apply to all enemies, Bro's come to mind. Having the system be "Even slower than the previous two games" doesn't really matter since the previous two games pretty much only amounts to "have the right tool for the job" and has pretty much no depth at all. As for story, I'm not even going to try to argue that it's better than TTYD or Super. I do think one could argue that it beats out 64 with it's emotion alone, but i disagree with that notion, personally. Nevertheless, its infinitely better than the previous two games. While the plot itself isn't anything to write home about for the most part, the storytelling of characters and world are really good. Aside from the characters I mentioned and the ones you praised, I think the Legion of Stationery are pretty well characterized, The Professor and Captain T. Ode are decent, Bowser is pretty clearly the same character from the first 3 games, and Olly is a pretty good villain, as well as a hilarious parody of the particularly bitter Paper Mario fans who won't acknowledge the love and care put into this game. They also actually do something with the "Paper" part of the game. Origami isn't a frivolous gimmick that could be swapped out for anything else like the Stickers or Paint could, it actually does things with the plot and is actually a core part of Olly's motivations. Circling back to the Legion of Stationery, they way that they can change, scar, or deform the characters around them can be legitimately unnerving, and is much better executed than just sucking color out of people in Color Splash. For example: while you could technically have a living pair of scissors cut a major character into confetti in any other Paper Mario game, it makes sense here because scissors are an Origami crafting tool, one of the very tools that made Olly in the first place. You described the "personality" of this game as just "quippy one liners" and while I agree that it is certainly it's strength, there ale a good amount of moments that invoke the feels of the original trilogy like what I just listed, with the only chapter that I think is completely devoid of anything of substance being Chapter 4. You can't say that about the previous games at all, they have practically nothing. Another strength Origami King has is, and I'll say it, the overworld and general exploration aspect of the game is the best in the series. I don't think there's much argument there, but I'm just throwing it out. My closing thoughts are that Origami King is sort of the 3D World of the Paper Mario series; clearly inferior to the greats, but it has strengths and is undoubtedly a good game. So many of it's good aspects are either ignored or have some sort of bullshit excuse to call it bad. I thought people would give it a second chance after TTYD got remade, or at least would have some appreciation towards it's aforementioned strengths, and I will continue to hope that maybe a new entry in the traditional style will open people's eyes. I at least expect the wit and exploration of the game to be carried over to the next. Overall, Origami King deserves so much more respect, it may not be a return to form, but it brings so many things back to the table and adds so much that simply dismissing it as "Sticker Star 3" is nothing short of disrespectful. Thank you for reading.

14:49 cool one 😎

0:24 There's no way you put Sticker Star over Origami king.💀

0:24 ain't no way sticker star is in C tier and 64 in B 💀

I actually really liked the origami king most because of the cute siblings

I want a remake of Super Paper Mario. Desperately. Even though it’s very unlikely.

The next Paper Mario is gonna have another “arts ‘n crafts” theme, and it will be clay. It’ll be called “Paper Mario: Clay Time is Over” and it will feature a clay sidekick named “Clayton.”

Origami King was a step in the right direction Bobby is proof of that

Id personally love to see a remastered Super Paper Mario with the TTYD remake treatment, giving it updated grapjics and music. Id die right then and there if they announced it because boy... it has the best story hands diwn and Count Blecky-boy and his crew are some of the best... if not the greatest... team of nintendo villains ever created. Super just did such a great job of creating new and wacky worlds... new dimensions so different from another, and made the heroes seem like aliens traversing through all the diversity. I really hope the next paper mario will continue this and have more crazy stories and unique character designs with a levlling up/exp system(whether it be super paper mario style or turned based combat... please make fighting enemies worthwhile)... with bursting creativity (The ttyd remake proves their reason for not being allowed to have diverse characters and stories was utter bullshit and that gives them no reason to returj to sticker star formula whatsoever) and. Combined with the massive open world in origami king filled with uniwu3 characters, and big-band music... we can have a freaking game that will be on the level of the original three, and maybe even better if it combines all the things we loved about paper mario to make it. I rewlly hope they make one with dope music and an interesting story 😊

I hope they stick with the TTYD formula. For someone who's playing through it for the first time, I have to say, I see why people praise it so much. The partners are awesome, and the dialog is funny as hell (especially when Lord Crump tells the player to not tell Mario about his disguise), not to mention all of the secrets and references to other games/consoles. TTYD is a good game and I hope Nintendo doesn't reck the franchise again like they did with Sticker Star

As a Paper Mario fan of my own, I love all of the games!

That tier list completely made me lose all my brain cells seek help😭🙏

I pretty much feel the same way although I’d definitely put Origami King over Sticker Star and Color Splash.

I’d love to see Peach get a Shadow Queen costume in Smash bros and Luigi get a Mr. L costume. I think that’d be fun

I think you’re being a bit too pessimistic for your own good that it’s causing you to dismiss what we just got. Nintendo fully remade TTYD and now has the original gameplay system and stories in their minds. With all that, it’s very likely that the next Paper Mario game will indeed be a proper sequel to Thousand Year Door both story and gameplay-wise.

I hope we get a Paper Luigi: The Marvelous Compass

The thing for me about the newer games when people bring up the point that 'The writing is good tho' is that like. The original 3 games had that same witty writing with laugh out loud humor WITH unique characters, worlds, and story.