My Take On The Zack Snyder Batman Controversy

Zack always refers to "The Dark Knight Returns" as a source of inspiration...which tells me he's never read or understood the story or character. MULTIPLE times, Batman expresses his disdain for killing and guns throughout the four issues. Even referring to guns as tools for the weak. It's just baffling how much he talks so much about it and understood so little.

To be fair, Nolan addressed this in his trilogy and Batman was forced to kill and let his enemies die. It was justified. Snyder just turned Batman into the Punisher. That's how he didn't honor the character lore.

I have no problem with Batman killing, as long as it serves the story and there's a reason for it. Doing it just to be dark and edgy is the issue. Batman doesn't kill because he doesn't want to become the very thing that took his parents from him

Snyder fundamentally misunderstands Batman. Also there is no “his version of Batman “. Just the character we know. Sherlock Holmes Chad.

The new spiderman ultimate issues are so good man. im glad that uncle ben is a mentor to peter and isn’t dead in this universe, and the art style and designs to the suits are all amazing

What annoys me about Batfleck or taking to people about Batfleck is that it’s actually a pretty decent character arc…for basically anybody that isn’t Batman. In Batman Beyond, Bruce literally scares himself into retirement because it became necessary after a point to use guns to he an effective crime fighter. Heck, in The Dark Knight Returns, the comic that his version of Batman is based on, he cracks a gun in half and literally says “these are the weapons of the enemy.” I’m not trying to deny that Snyder certainly had a creative vision, but when you take a core appeal of the character like this and then change it, it comes across as completely missing the point of the character, which Snyder seems to prove is the case with him time and time again

A perfekt example is in Batman Arkham origins game, bane had a heart monitor and joker is strapped to a electric chair. If the battery's are charged up joker dies or he kills bane and joker survives, either way someone has to die. The twist is that batman uses electric gloves to stop banes heart and when joker escapes he revives bane so both live in the end.

Even in Arkham origins joker wanted Batman to kill bane but what he do stopped his heart and then brought him back

Superman killing Zod worked for me. But what he did with batman was just bizarre. Dude was just killing people whenever without any rhyme or reason. There was no nuance, and if there was some thematic reasoning for it that suited the narrative, it wasn't communicated well at all. A lot of people interpreted it as this Batman losing his way due to Robin's death and the Metropolis destruction, but when Snyder starts saying stuff like this, I honestly don't think thats the case. Snyder himself has never once said that was the case. So it consistently just kind of exposes how he really feels about it all, and seems like he genuinely just doesn't actually understand batman and finds the idea of his moral code silly and childish. And so he kind of just handwaved the whole concept away for BvS because he thinks Batman killed people in TDKR, which isn't true, and the fact that he DOES think he kills in that comic is telling about why he only ever seems interested in that particular story. I think Zack just wanted Batman to be a killer in this world. Plain and simple.

so snyder and snyder fans, if batman can kill why is his joker alive still?

I would've been interested in his take if his DC films weren't garbage

A great example of a weak story that still understands Batman Batman Arkham Origins He has to kill Bane or the Joker will kill himself, so he makes Bane unresponsive as a distraction and then ended up Reviving him That shits awesome, I love when Batman has to think of things like that on his feet

What is the point of having batman killing people when he doesn't kill his villains💀

You got Kingdom Come wrong just as Snyder got DKR wrong. Sups didn’t retire, the world chose Magog and revenge over Superman and Justice. Batman didn’t kill the mutant holding the girl hostage. Brian Lynch nailed it. Batman doesn’t kill, he’s able to get out of impossible situations because he’s that prepared. In fact Snyder kinda got there with the Star Trek reference to Kirk reprogramming the test but failed miserably in his interpretation because he’s more concerned about himself more than the characters. Couldn’t be happier that Snyder is done with DC. Looking forward to Gunns DCU.

The only thing I approve of Batman killing is to be apart of the story and having a reason for it, because if it's just a full on kill, then it's definitely not gonna work.

I never thought I would disrespect snyder again but please snyder shut up

I don't know if the world's ready for another Adam West style Batman because that version of Batman is just too funny

Snyder made the perfect Elseworlds story, but it should've just become an Elseworlds story. Imagine a version of the DCEU, where Snyder's story is the third major arc. Initially, every hero is as they are in the comics, but they see a Knightmare timeline and it's Snyder's universe (Not Snyder's Knightmare storyline, but the regular storyline.) Don't misunderstand me, I love Snyder's DC movies, the characters are just not as definitive as they probably should've been.

I don't hate Zach but you can tell he doesn't read the comics and if he does it seems like he mostly just skims through the pictures so he can get images to recreate in his movies. It's sad that he can't also recreate the original intent behind the stories as well because of his obsession with making everything edgy all the time.

Really good point there. A Batman who isn't living by a strict no kill code doesn't have the same power in a JL dynamic. It gives off more of a Wolverine or Huntress feeling. Snyder never understood the characters in a translatable way.