The Emperor's Message To The Lion And A Fight Against EVERY PRIMARCH | Warhammer 40K Investigations

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The Lion talking about Khan: " I once worked with this guy for years and we never said a word to each other. Best friend I ever had. We still never talk sometimes."

"you cant really tell who amongst any of the primarchs could beat the others" wrong, every one of them could kick lorgar's ass

The Lion has gone through an Emperor level journey. He has gained the ability to cross the galaxy at will through the "forest webway". That's a very significant thing. It's not being given enough attention by writers or fans to me.

I just love the scene of the Lion boarding the Vengeful Spirit to meet Horus to give me a not-so-freindly brotherly warning of not using his sons for his (horus' plans). He walks in like a boss and evryone in the room, even in the presence of of Horus, drops automatically to one knee. From Angels of Caliban: "He advanced alone, no retinue or guard behind, eyes not once glancing at the honours presented to him. His jaw was set hard, hands bunched into fists. Typhon could feel anticipation turning to tension, polluting the atmosphere of the strategium. A mutter from Luther drew Typhon’s attention away from the Lion. The commander of the Dark Angels contingent was staring at his master as though a revenant stalked the corridor. The Lion burst onto the strategium with long strides and all around him warriors lowered to one knee like grass flattened by a strong wind. Typhon felt the need to obey flowing into him and he did not resist it, dropping one leg to the floor along with the others. Only Horus remained standing, saying nothing."

A couple of things. I think Sanguinius, being such a powerful psyker, probably knew about a lot of Lions exploits that are hidden from all but The Emperor. The Angel probably knows Lion and his Legion are not to be Fd with. His new sword. Much has been made about his shield now, but his sword pretty much materialized out of thin air, just happened to be gigantic, and has the DA sword insignia above the hilt. Pretty nutty.

Tinfoil hat thought: The missing primarchs never existed. The Emperor faked partial memories of Primarchs that didn't exist in the first place as a warning against failure and betrayal. It would be oddly ethical.

Emperor “Here Lionel have these godless killing machines from the Dark Age that have a hatred of all life” Never trusted him my ass.

The old king is also a homage to Arthurian legend. In that legend there is also a green knight (Lion) and when meeting Merlin he has to choose between objects to find the holy grail. Links to calabans knightly background.

While I will always be a salamander player at heart. I have to admit the dark angels have 'risen' to my top three.

I expect the foght between ADB and Dan was probably around the Emperor being good because whenever Dan writes Primarchs, especially traitors, he writes human characters that fall from grace and have beautiful yet tragic stories or at least good/understandable reasons for where they end up, he keeps things comlex and nuanced. When he wrotes Leman in Prospero Burns, he denies the idea that Leman attacked Magnus because he hated him, he adds in Lemans plea to Magnus to surrender, to take him to the Emperor, he counters the idea that came before that book which was that Leman was just a dick, and added more complexity to his character. When he writes the Alpha Twins in Legion, they dont turn because "bad dad" they turn because they think its whats best for humanity, and in a sense, is still loyal to the Emperor. When he writes Horus, he writes him as a kind and caring man and sets the stage for him to be turned, unfortunately McNiel takes the cliffhanger of the first book and fast forwards us to Horus already planning to turn. Though McNiel still writes Horus as a character with some ways to fall. He also writes Fulgrim with a tragic fall that makes sense. Back to dan though, we also see on Saturnine, he brings in Erda who speaks highly of the Emperor, she described him as a good and very charming man, she turned because she didnt like how quickly the Emperor was trying to do everything. We also get Perturabo who isnt a petulant manchild but is actually a calm and calculating character with some depth, even remenoscing over a lesson he learnt from Dorn. By contrast, ADB gives us Curze, a psycho, who, at best, has an identity crisis, at worst, is just insane and blames everything on the Emperor. Lorgar, who gets called a faliure and immediately becomes a satanist because "bad dad". And Angron, who is insane and also has daddy issues. Its a horrible shame, even in Angrons first appearance, we see him having a propper discussion with his brothers in a strategy meeting, in either book one or two, hes a stable primarch even with the nail, but every other depiction makes him a whining, whimpering, twitching psycho that can barely keep himself from killing his own sons, let alone discussing battle plans. It seemed like they gave up on writing tragic traitor Primarchs after Magnus. Perturabo falls on his own, Mort falls on his own, Curze fell on his own and Angron never even fell. Horus got 5 books, Fulgrim and Alpharius got one, Magnus got one, the rest maybe get there reasons explained in half of a story but we never see them actually make the choice to side with Horus Its similar to the backstories. Perts backstory is mixed into a few chapters of Angel Exterminatus. Morts is mixed into Burrier Dagger. Angrons is mixed into his Primarch Book. Meanwhile we have wastes of space like Furious Abyss, Outcast Dead, which id appreciate more if babu appears in the siege, Damnation of Pythos and all the Salamander books, (sry salamander fans, your heresy novels are awful) Tangent asside. ADB writes beautifully, but a lot of his writing is fairly miopic and at times, inconsistent. The Black Legion books for instance. In the First book, Abbadons whole motivation is regaining a sense od Brotherhood, the idea of family and beloning, forming a Legion for the sake of having a Legion again. Then in the second book its this kind of tedious notion of "vindicta" that he keeps trying ro drill into Khayons head as if itll make him stronger, kinda like the stupid way some world eater characters, or angron for that matter will be like "yes, being an insane madman thats so angry you dont even remember who you are, is totally the biggest advantage you could ever hope for in war, myes, forget marshal skill, discipline, tactics, strategy or, yknow, guns, anger totally beats all those things" Its downright tedious, Abbadon actually critisizes Khayon for failing to assassinate the head of the 2nd most powerful chaos warband, because he doesnt have enough baby rage in him, and abbadon acts like revenge is actually the main and only purpose of forming the legion, forget the brotherhood stuff. Now that could have been part of an interesting turn, when Abbadon becomes the champion of chaos but the second book doesnt go thst far foward, he hasnt face any primarchs, he hasnt claimed drachnayen yet or anything, hes only gone on his first crusade out of the eye. And the fact that so many of the traitor Primarchs ended up being shitty before they fell is an awful waste. Each Primarch was a treasure trove of potential, a brotherhood of 18 demigods that splits and turns into a tragic civil war as half of humanities greatest avatars fall and turn into monsters. We got that with Horus, Fulgrim, Alpharius and Magnus. Mort was pissy. Perty had a tantrum. Lorgar had an identity crisis. Curze was insane Angron was also insane. Thankfully the loyalists didnt suffer as much. Lion, brilliant. Guilliman brilliant. Sanguinius, brilliant. Corax brilliant but under-used. Dorn, Brilliant. The only real issues are with Leman, Vulkan and Ferrus. Ferrus died instantly so he never rly got a chance for development or exploration. Leman has great moments, but the writers generally seem to have trouble working out what they actually want to do with him. And Vulkan spends most of his screen-time being dead or dying. Like....seriously, in fury of Magnus, he gets obliterated by Magnus several times. In Vulkan lives, his deaths are practically half the scene transitions. In Deathfire he's literally just a corpse being transported home until he's resurrected. In Unremembered Empire he's insane and dies to Curze, Jon Grammaticus and a random hitman from the cabal. I didnt bother with old earth so its either the one book besides his Primarch book where he doesnt die, or i just havent heard about it because Vulkan Deaths arent even worth noting anymore. Lions had some inconsistent writing but on the whole he's okay. And Fulgrim got ruined by Reflection Crack'd, so he rly only gets a good rating if we pretend that doesnt exist. And unfortunately most Primarch books are actually crap. Frankly all of them have suffered from wasted potential but if that wasnt enough, for the writing they do get, about 8 of them are poorly handled. And the writing quality of the rest can still be quite bad but they at least have peaks and some actually get some brilliant writing.

Another thing to consider is that this imagery of the wounded King is taken direct from the quest for the Holy Grail. Which is all about renewal of the land and healing of the king. That can then point toward the future of the Lion's plot lines.

The 1st Legion deserves more attention, they are the best, yet underrated

Russ also has canid DNA as well, so maybe he ages in prime-dog years...

I will never be happy until Lion’El has a Watcher in the Dark who follows him everywhere he goes and says “Snarf, snarf” often.

I was watching Pancreasnowork on why the SW suck and he said in the video that the wolves are supposed to be vikings in space but arent. Now with guilliman returning and becoming a supreme commander, the lion returning as a protector of the people, Russ is bodyguards but on a grander scale, giving important characters wolves at their disposal essentially. A calmer wiser, cold yet subltey perceptive Russ who becomes the valdor of the Imperium, just with wolves instead of custodes, bringing the mindset "good offensive is good defense"

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To me all three objects represented loyal primarchs and what the emperor needs them to do. Maybe this is a stretch but a golden candelabra thats notably intricate? A golden source of light from something complicated? A certain golden throne that is the light for half the universe that only vulkan can fix? Alternately it could just refer the lion to allowing light from the throne into the dark imperium or building something like the light guilleman had in the imperium secondus. The chalice i think refers to sanguinis of course but importantly his bloodline and the stuff with the sanguinor but it could also refer to the lion needing to unite his blood, his sons. The spear i think refers to Russ and his potential return, i think its notable the lion first saw russ maybe the brother he thinks of the most ... However valdor also has a golden spear that is maybe about to draw blood. I think spears have little to do with the lions own story however if there is a confrontation with valdor in a conclusion to the yellow king storyline im not sure who on the imperiums side in the 41st millenium except the lion could take that fight no shade on guilleman. Hard to believe a space marine could even a grey knight, maybe a sanguinor possessed dante or something. If this refers to the quests the emperor is setting the lion i think the spear might be him having to interact one way or another with the yellow king if he does turn out to be valdor. He already encountered someone who had the plan to kill the emperor to strengthen him and i think the new personality would be an interesting contrast with valdor.

The inconsistent portrayal of The Lion in the Heresy is why I absolutely support Primarchs "belonging" to one particular author. Guy Haley I think does a fantastic job with Guilliman. And I was deeply impressed with Mike Brooks portraying the Lion in his return. If we keep the same authors portraying the same Primarchs it would help to improve consistency.

The Lion should absolutely be the new Imperial Warmaster, but aside from The Emperor rising, Gulliman should be the general ruler of the Imperium.