The Future of Governance Part 1 | Jordan Hall and John Vervaeke | Voices with Vervaeke

I'm so happy of having found this corner of the internet.

I am comforted by the knowledge that there are minds like John and Jordan's, grappling with these questions. They are formulating approaches to problems that I think many intuit, but struggle to comprehend. Their 'competence' is so needed. Thank you.

Amazing framework for discussing these topics.

Balaji, Dave Snowden and Jonathan Pageau all in one podcast. Worlds are colliding! This was fantastic. Only criticism is there are much easier ways to help regular people understand Snowden’s Cynefin model. Just take a look at how he explains it and copy him. People won’t engage if they can’t understand what you’re on about. 🙏🏻

Brilliant diagnosis of the malfunction of our current systems of governance, and felt sense of the shift required to manifest a properly functioning one. Really looking forward to part 2.

Whew. This was fantastic. Can't wait for part 2 I'm particularly interested in the fleshing out and grounding (in common language) of Jordans notion of a "new protocol". This is exactly what I'm searching for too.

Thanks John V for interpreting JH's brilliance. That last segment was genuis

PROUD!🌟

Fascinating conversation! I am very much looking forward to part 2

This is the greatest comedy podcast on YouTube

First off, so glad to see you two in dialogos once again and looking forward to seeing how this evolves. Second. Thoughts that came to mind: 1. The tyranny of pluralism; that is, the degree to which pluralism cuts off dialogue for the claimed sake of harmony, which on the surface appears good as we should desire to prevent a kind of 30 Years War, yet in the long run harmful, particularly when issues involving concepts of the nous/divinity/mysterium/sacred are brought to bare and the natural fear of not desiring to examine one's right (wise vs egoic) relations with their existence are challenged. 2. The necessity of transparency; that is, the degree to which one's unwillingness to be open to their hidden interests and actions can force multiply insincere outcomes for the commons and maximize central power/control. 3. This was danced around but not deeply touched upon: The honesty and wisdom of recognizing the realness of the tremendum or darkness/evil not just within the immediate but on a 7, 8, 9... generations time scale and why this justly fosters right relation with the nous/divinity/mysterium/sacred; that being, the degree to which we are courageous enough to not BS ourselves. 4. How to optimally scale the evolution of an expanding neo-neocortex on par with the shamanic and wisdom traditions that, in their greatest instances didn't seek monetary or powerful gain, but instead wise/right relations with the totality of each other and our shared ecological existence?, for which this and other conversations in "this corner of the internet" are attempting. All of these and likely so many more, seemingly providing further openness to an emergence of the good, true, and beautiful. PS My sincere gratitude and love to you both.

Wow, didn't expected that one today. Have to rethink my schedule now.

This is exciting. I need about 10 minutes to digest every sentence, but I'm on it : )

Continually grappling with the sense that I'm either too stupid to understand this or there's nothing of substance being discussed here. At least the ratio of coherent, significant points vs contrived detours was too low for my taste. Love you John, I found you much easier to follow but I couldn't hang in there for this one.

9:40 necessity and timing, very relevant. 25 minutes in and Jordan is describing system overload, by 27:40 starts to point us in a new direction.30:25 or so, monological management to dialogical evolution, well put. Jordan's explanation of the educational process and purpose was very succinct, as it also showed its eventual demise in that purpose has run its course. John then picks up on that noticing that those who might have to relinquish their stations in society are already implementing bulwarks to prevent that change from occurring. Really great depth here of what is happening today and what might come to pass if sane thought is not incorporated into our future. 52 minutes, Jordan's description of sovereignty is right on point, sovereignty can't exist in an I space, it can only exist in a we space, no man is an island, comes into focus here, there is no I in this world, it took a we to produce the I. The finish is a great place to start again, so well put by Jordan. Looking forward to the next get together, thank you both Jordan and John. Peace

The boys are back in town! It's been a while since I've seen the two of you deep in some dialogos. Great work.

I love this conversational format! I might recommend packaging and marketing as a podcast. The format is well defined and is continuing to gain traction as the primary source for thought leadership. I can see JV being a leader here. This content is immediately more relevant to real life than recent episodes of Lex Friedman, for example. Great stuff!

Wow, stunning interview! Thank you! I’m currently exploring the implementation of pilot projects here in South Africa based on these insights.

Thank you John and Jordan for this discussion. I would love to see you invite Daniel Schmachtenberger to contribute to this conversation as he is doing some amazing work on this topic with the consilience project. Regards. Ray

A deeply interesting conversation. Quite beautiful, as well. Thank you, John, this was fresh and engaging and stimulating. Well done, already this seems to be a brilliant series. ❤ Love the surfing analogy 🤙