DCAS regulations update September 2024 UNECE meeting

Thank you Steve. Let's hope 2025 will be the year of FSD for us.

a person with a red flag shall walk in front of the vehicle if the system is active

Thank you very much for the analysis Steven! A Tesla executive mentioned on X a few months ago that they will not introduce FSD in Europe, as long system initiated maneuvers are not allowed and I think from Tesla's perspective it makes perfectly sense. Then roundabout is really a good example. With the roundabouts we have in Europe, it is impossible to give the driver enough time to reject the manoeuvre. Also in case of an emergency, it is not realistic to wait for the driver before inititating an evasing manoeuvre. It goes towards the right direction, but for the time being, I don't expect Tesla will bring FSD to Europe in 2025.

Excessive regulation will delay advancements in self driving and arguably make the system more complicated to operate than simply driving yourself

Thanks for good summary! I’m worried about my X100D with FSD. Just holding one hand at 8 or 4 o’clock is not enough to avoid penalty. Wiggling the wheel for no reason every 5s is not making sense. Tesla needs to improve the sensing. In current state would need a cheating device 😠

I'm actually quite positive about this update (I am a long-time Tesla FSD owner in Italy). It is a big step forward from the previous draft that still required human physical approval of every system initiated manoeuvre. These rules should allow FSD supervised to be rolled out in Europe, but with the requirement for regular intervention (e.g. crossing solid white line to pass a bicycle). I fully expect that the feedback from the obvious constraints such as the passing a bicycle example will be incorporated in a much more realistic version next year that allows for "human" like driving as we are now seeing in FSD 12.x Keep in mind that initially they were planning a single version of this legislation for both supervised and unsupervised (L2 and L3) but decided to separate out the L2 to get the legislation implemented as soon as possible. It is clear to me that they will monitor the success of FSD in North America and follow suit with appropriate rules as required in future versions.

You can tell this written by a committee. It reminds me of RoboCop 2 where they add 100s of prime directives and her no longer functions

For me that sadly sounds more like the Nav on AP version that is currently available in the US and not really FSD 😢

Thank you for your reporting, I always becomes happy to find your reports. 🙏🙏🙏 There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding the interpretation of "system initiated maneuvers 5.3.7.2.4.10": It clearly states: That it allows the system to exceed the posted speed limit by up to 10% if the driver does not confirm, but the system must stay within the posted speed limit with a tolerance of 10% during and after the maneuver. Leading to a system determines speed being 90km/h, allows the system to drive up to 99km/h. How could you read it otherwise? Maybe I didn't understand your reasoning? It also states "higher than that of system-determined speed-limit". Meaning that if Teslas "system determines" that its 90 km/h, even if there's no roadsign stating that (roadwork example), then it can drive up to 99 km/h. That's definitely how I interpreted the text. I also verified it with different AI:s to ensure I got it right. Maybe I'm wrong? Then please tell me how 🙏

Basically, it’s never coming…. The rules, should simply be the rules that human drivers have to follow + allowing a human to disengage the system at anytime.

Great info, Steven! Thank you 🙏🏻

Not sure why my other comment was hidden, but the system is allowed to cross solid lines in certain situations.

Thank you for the update. Regarding the monitoring and punishment: seeing many people texting and engaged on their device while driving in a zero-autonomous car, shouldn't the regulators also demand monitoring and punishment for all cars, maybe all vehicles?!

Thx for the Video after i watched it im very convenient that i don't Upgrade to FSD 😅 The highway part is wher the system with hands of and Systeminitiated shoud be very useful but the rest dose sound more annoying than usefull I will safe the money for a car in the fute that can really level 4 drive it self😂

What about cars without in-cabin camera? (HOR only-capable)

11:33 speed limits, at least in Europe on Tesla cars outside of Highways are a joke really. I cannot drive 5 km an not have a wrong speed limit half the time and its highly inconsistent too. This will be fun to watch. Not allowing to cross lines is a real bummer and renders the system useless for most cities I would assume. My guess is they will remove that requirement one day, but just arent ready to believe. But I doubt Tesla will train the system with this limitation it would require scanning all E2E training videos for violations of that and remove those. We shall see

Seems like the regulation assume a rule based system. So, will be hard for Tesla’s neural net system to comply.

Good video. Important to remember - none of these proposed regulations would allow the use of FSD Supervised in UNECE countries. An earlier version of FSD (eg a modified v11 or earlier) in theory could be adapted to ensure all these requirements are literally coded in. We really need regulators to have a complete step change in what’s allowed for anything like FSD Supervised to be allowed.

Nicely done.

does this mean that a AP1 Tesla will nag for meaningless pulling on the wheel every 5 seconds? or is that only to sabotage newer cars? - this stupidity is to teach people to hang on to the wheel, if falling asleep, by muscle memory instantly going into traffic or off the road.