The End of Race Politics - Coleman Hughes

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Agree or disagree with Hughes, he's a calmly passionate thinker who considers his positions carefully, is open to debate, and doesn't consider having an opposing opinion something that makes you a stupid or a bad person. The world needs more people like him, and more conversations like this! I wish it was twice as long.

Kids being colour blind in the sense that they don't treat you any different based on race only applies if those kids are used to being in a multiethnic environment. If you're the only black kid in a school you will be treated differently. If you go to parts of rural china where they've never seen foreigners, the children will always be pointing at you and shouting "foreigner" because you're unusual to them. Another issue is how well integrated a multicultural society is, there are still in-group out-group dynamics that cause tension; different races form cliques in school, speak a different language etc.

Suggestion from a fan: Alex please ask your editors to show on screen the graphs or text or images that are referenced by the guest. Kind of like how Joe Rogan has it. That adds further contextual depth to the conversation. Thanks!

Never heard anybody phrase that question better. 'Why is seeing people through the lens of race cool again?'

On grading papers, in my degree it was just standard practice at my university that you put your 'student number' at the top, never your name.

The main takeaway from the callback studies is that it indicates a racial bias that continues into the workplace. Blind hiring for the first stage of applicants doesn’t address that racial bias which would be present once the applicant is hired.

Here is my statement before i watched 30 seconds

Blinding in hiring is great. We should do that as much as possible. But a huge piece of this conversation is missing. Where does the talent pool come from? And are people given equal (or at least good) access to the education and resources that would qualify them in the first place? We've made progress certainly. But oppotunity without education is meaningless. And which community you are born into still matters.

Here to back the latinx comment, we all considered it a type of Newspeak slur. Latino is already gender neutral when used for a group. It was very insulting to imply our language was toxic.

I am stupid or does the US fail to acknowledge net worth and annual income as the most driving factors of privilege? I am from germany and it is normal that some laws or governmental supports require you to disclose your income in order to be alligeble for those kinds of supports?

I'm not entirely convinced that external threats are reliably good at uniting people. The cold War was a bit before my time, but my understanding was that gay people were often persecuted in countires of either side of it, with the USA thinking that gay people were communist spies sent to corrupt the culture, and Soviet countries sometimes viewing gay people as capitalist decadence. And didn't the US have Japanese internment camps during WW2? It could be the case that it is true more often than it is not, but I think that requires some analysis, since there are certainly cases of divisions getting deeper despite being faced with external threats.

In short: isn't it location/income/luck? and then that correlates strongly with race due to old and modern factors based on combinations of injustice, including a lot of racism.

I’m surprised Alex didn’t mention that blind marking in universities is common practice in the uk.

“you never zero out on crazy people “

Give people healthcare, housing, yes maybe UBI and access to food/water that isn't going to give them and their children cancer and none of these problems will manifest themselves. "BUT the state will have too much power" ok fair enough. Democratize our workplaces so that the workers determine where the fruits of THEIR labor are spent and we will have all of these things and more.

I was hoping for some time you two would get together! Really excited! Going to listen to this now, thanks in advance

I'd like it if you'd interview someone from the other side of this debate, as you've interviewed several anti-woke activists already. EDIT: I am not saying that Coleman Hughes is an anti-woke activist, but several people he has had on in the past definitely fit that bill.

Looking forward to this one

58:00 worth mentioning that when rating community notes, a pool of contributors is brought together to assess notes that intentionally includes other contributors with whom you've voted in opposition before. This means that notes must have some degree of concordance in a pool selected for a certain level of disagreement. It seems to have worked out very well in practice and it's kind of brilliant.