A Really Unusual Problem TRICKED These Pilots!

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Published 2022-11-26
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Pilots are trained to trust their instruments but what would happen if those instruments but the aircraft in a position that the pilots didn’t expect? What if the reaction is something completly different than what they had been trained to do? Let’s investigate...

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Final Report:
data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=99050

Aircraft Used: ERJ145XR by X-Crafts
store.x-plane.org/Embraer-ERJ-Family-by-X-Crafts_p…

Sources
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Dash 8: Konstantin Von Wedelstaedt
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:De_Havilland_Canad…

Crash 1: NTSB
www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022…

Crash 2: NTSB
mentourpilot.com/united-express-embraer-crash-land…

Crash 3: NTSB
mentourpilot.com/united-express-embraer-crash-land…

CommutAir Stock: CommutAir
www.avweb.com/aviation-news/commutair-new-hires-no…


CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:22 - Not the first time
03:09 - The instrument landing system
04:38 - The flight crew
07:36 - 4933 Departs
09:32 - Climb, cruise & descent
11:38 - Setting up for approach
14:06 - Something’s not right
18:12 - Analysis in holding
20:43 - Confirmation bias
22:21 - Approach number two
24:22 - On the ground
26:39

All Comments (21)
  • @starfrost6816
    you should have an april fools event where you make a full video about a flight that was completely fine and nothing happened
  • This is why my instructor told me to speak up if anything doesn't feel right. "You're not a pilot yet, but if you ever feel like anything is unsafe or going wrong, speak up. You might notice something I don't." I always appreciated how my instructors always taught us to question everything. "If something doesn't look right, it isn't right. A go-around is free, sticking to it is the most expensive mistake you can make that has been commonly paid in blood."
  • @SimonWallwork
    The Embraer 145 is a super little jet, which continues to avoid killing its first passenger, despite the best efforts of some pilots!
  • @captmyq
    A friend of mine who used to fly F/16s for Royal Jordanian Air Force once told me about an accident where the aircraft lost its wing upon takeoff and pilot was killed just because the previous pilot had over-G the jet and didn’t report it. Lesson, If you see anything unusual report it because you saw it but the other person may not be able to see to.
  • @rx7145
    As a EMB145 maintenance technician, I think the aircraft handled this accident like a champ. The gear sheared off as designed, but didn't quite end up fully departing the airplane. The nose absorbed the impact softening the shock to the passengers and crew. All in all I think the airplane did a fantastic job. It's just sad that we lost an XR, those are the pinnacle of 145's.
  • @dlavarco
    From the post-accident photos, it appears to me that the 5' of snow may have actually helped the aircraft come to a somewhat stable stop on the infield.
  • @radrabbit011
    I worked in Law Enforcement (US). I love how you address company culture and root cause in your videos. I think LE could take a lot of good points away from aircraft incident investigations and regulations. An example is rest or down time. The department I worked for only required 8 hours between shifts. That is 8 hours from end to finish. There were times working a late shift that I would have to work 8, off 8, work 8, off 8, work 8 just to attend daytime training. Upper management never had to do this. There was a "we did our time, now you do yours" attitude. It created an unsafe environment. Armed officers driving around after days of inadequate sleep. I wish law enforcement in the US was as regulated as the airline industry. The only way it is really scrutinized is regarding racism and profiling. Yes that is important, but, like a pilot worked or stressed too hard with not enough rest, incidents are more likely to happen.
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  • @CRCinAU
    When I was doing my flight training, I was also working assisting on medivac flights. Knowing I was doing flight training, I was treated as a second officer type role - having my head in the flight at most times - even though I wasn't flying or part of the operating crew. I was included in the briefings before flights and during the flight itself - and the golden rule said specifically to me was "Just because you might think you're not qualified, if you ever see something that seems out of place, make sure you speak up and tell us. We'd rather confirm something isn't a problem than not notice a problem." One flight, when I was getting more familiar with the aircraft systems, I noticed that on a long flight over the ocean, that the fuel remaining estimate was about 1hr less than the flight duration. I mentioned this just after we came out of the 10,000ft sterile phase of flight and got a reply of "That's fine, we'll discuss it when we get to the cruise altitude". A bit later on in the flight, it was explained to me that the fuel computer only uses instantaneous fuel burn to calculate the time remaining, and was shown that now we were in the cruise stage of flight with a much lower fuel burn than the climb, we had at least 2 hours beyond the flight time of fuel onboard. This might sound simple, and routine, and like a rookie mistake - but the captain told me I did well to spot it - and that it was better to point it out and get a proper explanation than ignore it and nobody notices a mistake that would have caused us to have to ditch in the ocean. This is the perfect culture to foster in aviation - and should be encouraged no matter what type of flying you do. The realisation that aviation got this culture embedded into it from people not saying things and dying should be a sobering reminder of why things are the way they are.
  • @CKOD
    Shout out to the snow clearing crew here too. Not usually what you think of as an emergency responder. But when you have 5 feet of snow on the ground, and something off-runway, they have to get it done first for anyone else to do anything.
  • @hcilliers
    I've always wondered how the making of this excellent channel has influenced Petter's own actions in the cockpit. It's like having his own permanently ongoing safety training. I am sure he is one of the safest pilots out there as he is constantly reminded and super aware of all the things that can go wrong. (and, well, he is a Swede) 😁
  • @tomseim
    The first approach where they barely missed that tower should have set off major alarm bells in both pilots - you just should not encounter an obstruction like that if you are lined up with the runway. Pilots are trained to believe their instruments, but this extreme anomaly must override that training and cause a reset - the instruments aren't ALWAYS right.
  • @flagmichael
    I certainly agree with the finding that the First Officer's fatigue was likely a factor. When I finally got a CPAP for sleep apnea I soon noticed that when I was driving I seemed to have a remarkable sense of traffic around me. In reality, it was normal situational awareness after years of driving in a fog. The devil of it is that it is hard to know when our awareness fades. Now I don't even take a short nap without it.
  • @mayanightstar
    It's really nice when everyone survives. Digging out a trench in the snow was an extra nice touch. I think I love these stories so much because half the time they're just about members of human society helping out other members of human society.
  • To say it with Dr Who "Just this once everybody lives"... a pleasant change to your normal crash reports. Thanks.
  • I'm a Maine resident and remember this incident being reported in the local press, but no one ever followed up on it. Very interesting, and frightening, that these pilots would continue landing without being able to see the runway.
  • In every episode, Petter does 'absolutely fantastic' emphasizing lessons to be learned. These lessons are not just for those in aviation. They apply to all aspects of life. I've recommended Petter's channel(s) to family members and friends for this reason, in addition to the compelling and entertaining way that Petter relates -- he creates suspense, maintains a respectful attitude toward all, and injects an element of humor when appropriate. Also, he's just an over-all nice guy and family man that I would love to have as my next-door neighbor. I've watched the production values of Mentour Pilot improve steadily over the years. I miss the old days, though, when one could count on unscripted appearances and antics by the pups on the black couch with the red and green pillows. I hope our furry friends are doing well.
  • This is why it is important to report issues no matter how small they seam. I am guilty of not raising issues with higher ups because 'they have enough to deal with' but now i see that a repot could be the difference between life and death
  • Great work Mentour Pilot. This video is very impressive! A "must watch" to all pilots out there. As an EMB135/145 Captain flying in Europe this video is even more relevant. The funny thing is, I found your video 1 day after filing an Occurrence-Report on a VOR approach into Thessaloniki with almost the exact same problem. Luckily the weather was not so bad so we had good reference with the runway well above minimums and corrected for the off-track. As a pilot I know it sure is hard to overcome the "Confirmation Bias" when your instruments are telling you something different from reality and with the words "trust-your-instruments" ringing in the back of your mind. It happens to the best, never say never. Thanks fellow aviator/colleague of the skies.
  • @TerryMundy
    I work at a large aviation repair facility and often pass along important suggestions about safety that I learn here. Who knows who may be having a bad day or because someone is new and in training. Often I followup with the question, "Would you feel safe to fly on the plane that you were a part of repairing?" We now have a suggestion box to improve safety and award workers for going above and beyond. I'm going to suggest watching some of these videos that are shorter. If someone on the FPI line rejects a blade with a hairline crack and prevents a tragedy then this channel will have more impact than anyone would ever know. Great job! Final comment, if you see something wrong - say something. There's no points for being quiet.