Primatologist Explains the 1% Difference Between Humans & Apes | Richard Wrangham | EP 249

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Published 2022-05-02
This conversation was recorded on September 1, 2021.

I spoke to Richard Wrangham about his research on ape behavior. We explored prerequisites for chimp attacks, how cooking shaped human cognitive development, studying chimps in the wild with Jane Goodall, DNA similarity studies, proactive vs. reactive aggression, and more.

Richard is a biological anthropologist at Harvard, specializing in the study of primates and the evolution of violence, sex, cooking, and culture. He’s also a MacArthur fellow—the so-called “genius grant”—and the author of books like 'The Goodness Paradox: The Strange Relationship Between Virtue and Violence in Human Evolution' and 'Demonic Males: Apes and the Origins of Human Violence.'

—Chapters—
0:00 — Intro
2:39 — Jane Goodall
5:32 — Living in the wild
6:26 — Bumping into rhinos & sleep darting elephants
11:06 — Human competitiveness & sexual behavior
16:13 — "An enormous shock" from Yale
23:48 — Working with Jane Goodall
26:42 — Chimp mating habits
34:47 — Bonding via cooking
41:39 — Checking self-bias
42:26 — War and the 8-vs-1 rule
49:02 — Why kill lone neighbors?
56:41 — Cooking is really about calories
1:02:51 — The greatest discovery in human evolution
1:06:35 — Why do animals prefer it cooked?
1:10:05 — Fire & human development
1:12:16 — Innate violence, authoritarianism, and The Goodness Paradox
1:23:43 — Male aggression
1:42:01 — Outro

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All Comments (20)
  • Jordan, you are the only person, on YouTube and every other social media platform, that I find myself preparing to listen to. What I mean is that all the talking heads are so easy to listen to and to understand that usually what they say goes in one ear and out the other. But when I listen to you speak, I need to be in a comfortable and quiet setting so that I can listen to every word you say. And the reason is because what you are saying is so profound and so necessary that I want to learn as much as I can. Often times I rewatch the same talks so that in case I didn’t fully understand something you said, I can digest it properly. Thanks for what you do, sir. I, like many other people in the world, appreciate what you are doing. I see what you are doing and I applaud you. I wish you and your family the very best, sir.
  • @stvbrsn
    While reminiscing about his early career, Dr. Wrangham often says “yeah, those were the Goodall days!”
  • Jordan, you are the one person I enjoy and look forward to hearing. As a homeschooling mom, I get very little time to myself. I usually listen to you while I’m cooking dinner (if my kids aren’t helping me and my husband isn’t telling me about his day at work!) I truly look forward to spending my “me time” listening to your interviews. I appreciate you and the people you interview! Please don’t ever stop! Prayers to you and your family to always be strong in the tough times you face speaking truth and seeking truth!
  • @Pit.Gutzmann
    I am extremely pleased with the interviewer in this video. He asks exactly the question I would have liked to ask the expert and he is extremely well prepared.
  • @vettevegas8549
    Jordan, I like that after your recovery your pace has slowed just slightly. It's a positive not a negative. It was so hard to keep up 100% with your thoughts before, now you are a little more relaxed and tend to take your time. Resulting in more effective communication in the first pass. What a great interview. Riveting for an hour and 45min. Amazing. Love you, Brother.
  • Aside from the stunning things I learned about the topic, JP has once again astounded me with how he approaches a topic and how he comes to his positions. It’s like the world is one big magic show & I’m expected to sit in the audience, accept at face value the tricks I see on the stage, and not question things. JP takes me backstage, shows me the props and how they work, then backs it up by pointing out exactly how the “magician” uses those props to perform the trick. I can see why so many consider him a danger- they don’t want their tricks revealed. Bless you Jordan, the world needs you!
  • @PawelSorinsky
    It's inspiring that we have this kind of quality content on the internet for free.
  • This was an exceedingly fascinating talk/interview! I think I developed another synapse extension or two. I look forward to hearing from this man again and will definitely read the books. Dr. Peterson, your interview skills have become well-defined and it's a joy to tune in to these podcasts. Thank you.
  • @ernest108
    What a fascinating chat. Thanks Dr. Peterson to give us the chance to learn so much about various disciplines and subjects.
  • @Hennigera
    Great episode Jordan! The quality of your interview subjects is second to none! I've been listening to you and reading your books for over 5 years now and you never ever disappoint. Please keep up the wonderful work, you will only grow in popularity exponentially and the critics don't matter because they don't even listen to what you actually say. We love you buddy. Edit: this was an amazing podcast. who knew such a perfect combo would be a clinical psychologist genius and a geniuis level primatologist. what a damn pleasure we have being able to hear this conversation. I love these longform talks 😁
  • The movie Jordan discusses @1:36:00 is called 'The Ballad of Narayama' . He is talking about the 1983 version. It was also filmed in 1958.
  • @Alex-vx6zq
    Ah I love how Dr. Peterson is always so genuinely welcoming towards his podguests! One can really tell that they feel truly appreciated. Always puts a natural smile on my face when they wrap up :)
  • @jeZza710
    As a former zoologist/ecologist and now science teacher (and psychology hobbyist), this discussion on primate behaviour was extremely interesting and though provoking, what a match up!
  • @dstavs
    I just finished Prof. Richard Wrangham’s “The Goodness Paradox”. It’s a wonderfully illuminating book that puts into perspective the human condition as understood through the lens of evolution. Thank you, again, Prof. Peterson for interviewing another brilliant guest and helping me add to my growing catalogue of books!
  • @zissumanter
    I made sure I watched with as much attention as I can muster. When my attention did not hold as long then I made sure to go back and watch it over again. It helps my understanding and that is a such help I appreciate so much. Thank you for sharing your work
  • @llkid6760
    This discussion didn't disappoint.....the time flew by. I'd really love to hear more.
  • @creeser777
    Long time fan of you Jordan, the specific pair of the two of you here is something I could watch endlessly.