Iain McGilchrist and D C Schindler: Is Love the Source and Sustenance of Everything in the Universe?
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Publicado 2023-09-22
Iain McGilchrist and David Schindler respond to a question about a passage from Cs Lewis's book, The Discarded Image, then delved into a discussion of the passage and its implications for understanding the nature of God and the universe. They discussed intelligence, beauty, and goodness in the cosmos, and explored the idea that even non-animate aspects of the universe reveal intelligence, beauty, and complexity. They also touched on the idea that good can embrace evil, but evil cannot embrace good.
The speakers engaged in a wide-ranging discussion about the relationship between beauty, order, and the transcendent principle. They explored the idea that disorder and chaos can be incorporated into order to create something even more beautiful and profound, drawing on examples from art, philosophy, and theology. They also discussed the complex and multifaceted nature of intelligence, beauty and love and the importance of values in shaping our understanding of the world.
D C Schindler mentioned the book by Dionysius the Areopagite On the Divine Names, and I found a link: www.tertullian.org/fathers/areopagite_03_divine_na…
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
03:00 The impact of love in biology
07:50 The extraordinary question of biological form
09:00 The heart of the philosophical foundation of Western Civilization
10:22 Modernity's move to remove goodness as an ontological principle and replace it with goodness as simply a moral principle
12:22 Everything seeks beauty, actuality
15:40 The need for an absolutely Transcendent First Principle
16:30 The sense of purpose
17:30 Attraction
22:00 The conflict between freedom and love
30:31 The coincidence of opposites and creativity
35:00 Beauty, Order and the Transcendent Principle (The nature of order and disorder in the universe)
51:50 Artificial Intelligence and the Importance of Values
The limitations of artificial intelligence and the importance of embodiment
58:14 Discussion on the Nature of Reality
1:01:06 Views on Reality and Time
The concept of time and its relationship to unity and multiplicity
1:06:07 Discussion on the Implications of Wolfram's Theory
1:09:00 The Importance of Context and Relationship in Understanding Knowledge and Truth
The implications of a principle of analogy in classical metaphysics
The issue of context and its relationship to postmodernism
1:18:35 Love, Knowledge, and Beauty
D. C. Schindler:
www.johnpaulii.edu/academics/faculty/d-c-schindler…
Iain McGilchrist:
channelmcgilchrist.com/about/
Todos los comentarios (21)
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Oh my, what a great pairing! Great job Karen!
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Pure gold. I am intrigued by both Schindler and McGilchrist but have had a hard time understanding them. You drew them into a conversation that brought out their love of the topic, so they let go of their academic personas. Thank you Thank you Thank you!
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Yes, this conversation was a grand slam home run! Thank you Karen, David and Iain.
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Oh my goodness. Just starting to listen, I am so thrilled about this. All three of you make my heart sing because you care as much as you do about the things which are most precious to me.
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Such a joy to listen in on this conversation. The beauty in the irregular and unpredictable patterns of kintsugi pottery make me think about the pleasure of massage by a person rather than by a mechanical device, or the pleasure of a natural breeze than what an electric fan produces. I have often wondered why the former examples are so superior to their mechanized counterparts in our experience of them. Maybe it is a part of our non-mechanized being. Always love hearing Ian McGilchrist, my first time hearing D.C. Schindler but I look forward to hearing and reading more from this gracious man. Love the idea of the beauty in how we respond to life’s imperfections. Thank you all very much, and Karen especially for hosting this discussion.
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Good to see you back in full health, Karen! I think this talk will be a memorable one. Wishing you well❤️
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An excellent conversation with two mammoth intellects. Well done!
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Karen, my favorite part was you jumping in to reveal that beautiful triad; love, context and anomaly through the eyes of an artist. I would love to hear you unfold those concepts or tell us how they can be woven together.
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This is as rich a discussion as anyone could hope for. Very clarifying on the issue of epistemology at the end. Thank you all very much. 🙏
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Thank you, Karen, Dr McGilchrist, and Dr Schindler. May God bless each one of you richly. And your families. This conversation is helpful for us all: those IN the Lord and those on a journey towards true faith in Christ. For GOD IS LOVE. 🙏
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No way, you and Ken both post DC Schindler in one day?? And The great Iain McGilchrist with DC Schindler? I'm absolutely overcome with excitement to watch this! Congratulations on this combination!
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Absolutely delightful, I never heard the part that love can embrace hatred but not the reverse. So grateful!
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With each talk or interview that readjusts AI into perspective and shows it it‘s place i sigh of relieve, knowing that humanity has not totally lost it’s common sense. But these two intelligent and admirable men did it with particular pleasure and witt starting with taking the term itself even not serious. Feeling less alone. Thank you Karen for creating this environment. Inspiring conversation.
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30:45 My goodness, that was beautiful. I've been playing with the idea that love, in the context of the process of complexification being the organizing principle of reality (the Logos), is the only thing that can integrate conscious and psychological beings like us. Process of complexification is defined as the increasing and simultaneously differentiation and integration of parts working together as a functional whole. I can better see and grasp now why love is the answer. Your part on the triumvirate of love, context, and anomaly was eye-opening as well! Thank you for the combo Karen! Excellent work! "What I'm not saying is that when there is a coincidence of opposites they are sort of asymmetrical in the sense that you can see one as big and the other as lesser. They are both important, fully equally to one another but in the end in either the bigger picture in time or the bigger picture in space, one of them can always embrace the other. For example union can embrace union and division, but division can't embrace union and division. Love can embrace hatred and perhaps redeem it that's what Christians believe but hatred can't Embrace love. Good can embrace evil take it up into itself and take it in and make it something else, but evil can't take good up into itself in any way at all, it resist it and repels it."
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What an incredible conversation!
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Wonderful Karen! Really looking forward to this!
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This was a hugely enlightening discussion and left me with a lot to think about. Particularly emotive for me was McGilchrist’s analogy of Kintsugi. Best wishes to all.
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So excited about this one!! Thank you Karen!
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31:54 McGilchrest's point about good and evil was beautiful
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I'm wading through The Matter with Things....a long way to go ! Great to be able to hear these folk ...long may they continue.
