Faith in Dialogue: Exploring Christian Virtues in a Diverse World with Jordan Hall Part 1

This type of conversation is what we have been building a corner/community for. You can't just have a conversation like this. It requires a context, relationships, trust, all the things a proper arena requires. So glad to be watching this and have been privileged to participate in.

Rarely has listening to a conversation brought me to tears, but this is tremendously special. Far too many layers to unpack here, but my soul sings to this

This christianity as "the way" and not a "complete" doctrine resonates deeply. I've been wearing a cross, it feels right but I don't know what it means to be a christian. I got excited when I heard Jordan say John seems to be living a deeply christian life. The "yes, yes, and theres more" is much more inviting than "no, conform" Loved this, cant wait for part 2. Thank you both.

Jordan Hall is a master of the felt sense. I see an expert phenomenologist in him.

Coming from a fundamentalist Christian background, this was healing for me. Thank you.

This one the one I've been waiting for!!!!!!!!!!!!

John's commitment to rebuidling the "Silk Road" reminds me of Simone Weil, a 20th century leftist intellectual turned "Christian" mystic. Although she had spontenous, profound exeriences that convinced her of the truth and centrality of Christ (I write this as a non-Christian), she felt unable to formally enter into communion with any expression of Christianity, although she was particularly drawn to Catholicism. Part of her reasoning for doing so was a sense of loyalty to those in her time and future who felt competing loyalties to the church and whatever other spiritual orientation had thier heart. Im grateful, as a non-Christian, to her and John's example. Also, I find her qoute oddly comforting: Christ likes us to prefer truth to him because, before being Christ, he is truth. If one turns aside from him to go toward the truth, one will not go far before falling into his arms.

I grew up in a very Catholic and protestant community. You couldn't go a half mile without there being a church. As you walked from one end of town to the next, in any direction, you could see a cross. I'm not sure what that does to a community, but it seems like a very tight knit group of 35k people. There are many charities and human services programs; colleges and global corporations with headquarters here. The Eastern Europeans who migrated here built a nice community.

What a flow between both of you! Calling each other home...no men left behind! This is it. This is the Spirit! Thank you 💓🙏

Excited for this!

Thank you for this John and Jordan.

Looking forward to diving into this one too! Thanks to both of you

A beautiful conversation! While part of me wanted to go on and say, 'But there's real differences here, real boundaries, real disagreements, that it's also important to deal with...' on second thought, that wasn't necessary; that can come later. The commonalities, mutual resonances, and the relationship are what matter now. Both of you seem to be fueled by a deep hope and joy, which is contagious.

Father Thomas Plant would be a great third interlocutor here… Thanks, John, for sharing this sometimes difficult conversation. I have a deep respect for you, sir! ❤️

I believe your quests are the same quest. Thank you both for being inspirations for me. Please, please continue!

Im a Christian and as far as living heroes/men I admire, John Vervaeke is it. So that makes him some kind of Christian...?

I can see Jordan, a trained philosopher, struggling to explain his appreciation, being symbolic, transjective and perspectively practical; yet also trying to balance, as a believer, the Awe-Some realization that the biblical stories and concepts are true realities, historical and literal. Its one thing to embody Christian practice, its another to realize Jesus actually and physically rose. Not everyone is for that, but we believe it as a physical and spiritual reality. Its hard to express that while also expressing the power of the worldview with philosophical sterility. I struggle with that as well.

35:55 "Why I didn't want to debate doctrine with you." Amen. Discussing doctrine, iron sharpening iron, can be beautiful when always undergirded by love and communion, in spite of our doctrinal differences.

34:45 I don't know if this work is on your radar, Dr. Vervaeke, but I highly recommend the book Christ the Eternal Tao written by Hieromonk Damascene, an Eastern Orthodox monk and priest. He wrote it in order to demonstrate the similarity between the teachings of Lao Tzu and Jesus Christ as understood by Eastern Christianity. The basic thesis is that Lao Tzu was a divinely inspired prophet who gained mystical insight into the God whose Way (Word/Logos) would become incarnate in the person of Jesus Christ. Basically, it's the idea that Christ is the full revelation of what Lao Tzu foreshadowed. Though written from an Eastern Orthodox perspective, it's interacts with Taoism with great care and reverence for the tradition. The book is incredibly insightful, and an absolute joy to read; poetic, compelling and multifaceted - indeed, difficult to summarize!

Amazing discussion! I've been such a fan of Vervaeke's, and Hall has just changed the way I understand the power of contemplating the cross image. Here in 'Metamodern Commentary on Vervaeke/Hall's Christian "Anti-rivalry"', I comment on the cross as this impossible symbol of hope, as Christ was theoretically experiencing peace on the cross rather than unbearable suffering. I also touch on what I see as Vervaeke's handshake psychotechnology applied between schools of thought, as he mentions happening between Buddhism and Daoism: If we adorn and clarify each religion/philosophy with the insights of every other one and help each system get MORE of what it's seeking in this way, then that may pave the way for them to be a little more open to these other systems which have produced such valuable-to-them insights. And if those systems have similarly benefited from this process, then maybe they'll be open to reciprocating that reaching out, joining in a handshake and a harmony that compensates for their differences and allows them to co-exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xMgCfCLzf4