Why We Can't Agree About The Last Jedi (Or Art In General)

My next video will be on something else, I swear. Just really felt the need to make this video! Hope you enjoy!

"when Rey learns she's the daughter of no one" simpler happier times....

Regardless of what you think of this movie or the others, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that this trilogy would have better overall if it was executed by one person with one vision for all three movies.

Damn. I somehow never twigged that it was a sunrise rather than a sunset. That makes the call-back even better.

shit man, when you said "a new hope" it gave me chills

For a channel that once spent a whole video lamenting the over-reliance of bathos in Marvel movies, it's odd to me that you weren't bothered by its omnipresence in this movie

I came for the articulate conversation, but I subbed for the seamless Skill Share transition.

Also, during Luke's death, he's overseeing an ocean, a place filled to the brim with life, in contrast to the barren desert of Episode IV

Ain't it ironic that people don't agree with your "Why we can't agree.." video.

i don't love The Last Jedi, and I don't hate it, but since my opinion on the Internet isn't extreme, apparently, it doesn't matter

I have not seen the movie and honestly from what I have read and seen I am reluctant to. It goes back to how Han died, how he was a failure as a parent, husband, comrade. He abandoned everyone and ran off, backsliding to the life of a criminal because it was easier than facing his responsibilities. What I saw as character growth in the first Star Wars film, placing the lives of others ahead of his own self interest, was undone. Likewise we saw Leia as a failure since the First Order rose and she was unable either as a politician or political leader to take steps to prevent its rise or to form an adequate defense against them. Finally Luke was a failure as a teacher, a mentor, and rather than try to set things right he stole away to some remote planet to sulk. This is not like what Yoda or Obi Wan did, with the first being too old to fight and the latter actually serving a purpose, protecting Luke. My heroes were turned into pathetic screw ups and that is something I just did not want to see. Why should I give my money to Disney so they can show me how pathetic my protagonists, my childhood heroes, had become? Screw Disney, man. I don't need that sort of Star Wars in my life.

"He overcomes the only force in the galaxy he hasn't conquered... Himself." Quality Star Wars pun.

There is an objective element of a franchise movie being part of a preexisting universe. Rian Johnson objectively failed to make a movie that fits in with the rest of the movies. His incompetence even destroyed the finale to the saga because all the plotlines were scrubbed and JJ had nothing to do but make a video game movie.

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I believe you're making an (albeit honourable) mistake in trying to figure out the mentality of those who disliked this movie: generalising the audience in the dislike camp as 'fans' who have rigid and irrational requirements reads like you can't accept that a rational person could dislike the film. As someone who liked the first two (original) films but none of the others, and who is most definitely not a fan, I can tell you that I dislike this movie for its uninteresting plot, its painfully bad humour, its incoherent tone (tragic one second / jokey the next), its almost laughably bad ship design (ships that move at a snails pace to drop bombs in a universe where there's such a thing as light speed), it's incoherent side plot featuring Finn, its pointless halting of the main plot, which leaves us with nothing to look forward to in the next film, it's ultimate predictability (Luke dies! What a surprise!), its uninspired soundtrack, its abysmal ending, its poor opening, the non-story with Luke, the pointless story with that Pink haired lady who deliberately acts incompetent - raising the suspicions of her colleagues - for no good reason. The dialog was bad. The CGI was over the top. They killed the main bad guy without giving us a reason to be afraid of him. Characters do things for reasons that don't make motivational sense. The list goes on. It was a pain to watch.

Hmm...I honestly feel like I gained a new perspective on the last Jedi.

Where's the interpretive community that's "I'm fine with them throwing away the heroic escapism part of Star Wars to focus on more real-world themes of failure, but I'm not OK with how they went about it? And also, Canto Bight kinda sucks?" Cause that's basically where I am. I'm glad they swung high, but IMO they struck out on the scene-to-scene level. Almost all the "for" or "against" comments I see with this film focus on the big picture stuff, but that's not why I have an overall negative opinion of the film. I also must say, I don't think I've seen anyone criticize Luke's death at all. That's usually one of the more uncontested good moments from this film, and I agree.

Ben: You need a teacher! I can show you the ways of the force! Rey: You don’t need to, I’m taking a class for it on Skillshare.

This is some serious next level analysis. You are rapidly becoming my favorite video essayist. I truly think that we will be talking about and analyzing the Last Jedi for years and years, perhaps way more than any other Star Wars movie, and I'm glad so many great writers have stepped up to provide a foundation for the conversation.

"We need to move beyond good and bad" shows footage of beyond good and evil 2 Very clever my good man